Brides Speech **Controversial Thread**?

OMG... Talk about reading between the lines... You have read what you have wanted to read... She at no point said that people roll their eyes at the speech...!! Melodramatic or what!

I still think this is disrespectful. Most people make bad jokes in their speeches - they are nervous, give them a break!

She didnt say that they were going to heckle them for goodness sake!!! To be honest if I had heard the same joke at nearly every wedding I have been to, after a while its just not funny anymore so yes, a little eye roll may come into play but not something that the bride or groom would notice, so not disrespectful at all..

I believe that this was simply a statement highlighting the considered overuse of the "last word" joke at weddings they had attended.

Don't take everything you read so literally.

OK, rolling eyes at speech, rolling eyes at joke in speech is the same thing to me.

Very disrespecftul. I have heard some boring speeches at weddings, but I did not make any faces, I listenend politely.

I dont think that the rolling of ones eyes is face pulling to be honest, I think you are being a little too sensitive and taking things far too literally..

If it's based on ignorance? Not that I'm saying this is the case here but in general...

You have taken what I have said literally (gone and pasted a definition of the word opinion)! Perhaps I should have used different wording, but just because the other poster has the opinion that weddings are traditional does not mean that this is a fact. Weddings are not traditional, some are and some aren't. That is a fact.

I may have the opinion that the sea is orange, but that would be wrong.

My points are being missed through semantics:

wedding days are not all traditional

couples can do whatever they want on their wedding day (provided they are not breaking the law)

guests should respect the couple by not pulling faces during the speeches

Even if it is ignorant, it's still just an opinion.

Should an opinion based on ignorance be given the same weight as an opinion based on fact and evidence?*

*Massive tangent but unfortunately something I have huge interest in discussing

They are not pulling faces!!! arrgggghhhhh! Why are you so intent on starting an argument?

I think you are being incredibly over-sensitive and far too literal in the rolling of ones eyes!

If someone rolled their eyes as I stood up to speak I'd have something to say about it. That's just downright rude that someone can't sit there for a few minutes whilst I said a few words, whether it was 'traditional' or not.

Agreed - but GB's opinion was that to her, her wedding was traditional...

I am not going to get into a discussion of semantics here about whether eye rolling is face pulling.

What I would say that if I saw anyone rolling their eyes at any part of my speech (should I choose to do one), I would be very offended and find this disrespectful. Call it my opinion if you will ?

This whole thread is down to personal taste so I don't see how personal taste can involve ignorance, fact or evidence?

OK I will bite, even though I think this discussion over the word opinion is a silly one and is ignoring the general spirit of my comment.

If the following is true:

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

Then I would argue that one cannot have an opinion on whether weddings are traditional as it is certain that not all weddings are traditional.

As I said before, my comments are not really the case here, I'm just musing...

People can have their personal taste, but they should not extend this to include all. If she had said, "I prefer weddings to be traditional" then that would have been a whole different matter than her saying "weddings are a traditional thing".

Heehee - where's mr toaster in all of this? he usually loves having a good argument.

Sorry, I thought we were still discussing whether brides should do speeches. My bad x

Some brides like giving speeches, others don't.

Surely that's all that needs to be said?

I took CB's and KBS' comments to mean that people might roll their eyes at the particular joke, because it is overdone. I have a feeling that not all of you ladies will be using the "last word" joke to start your speech. But if you do then some guests might giggle and some might roll their eyes and make a little groan because they will think it's cheesy/heard it before.

Think of it like a cracker joke maybe?

I agree, I think my main point to all of this was that people can do what they want, and they shouldn't be judged for it!

i think the difference is though that a cracker joke is meant to be cheesey, whereas the 'last word' joke isn't. Probably the brides who used it thought it was really original!

Why I think it is mean is because when someone stands up in front of a room full of people and starts a very nerve racking speech with a little joke/icebreaker and it falls flat it is really scary! And to look out at an audience of your closest friends and family and see people rolling their eyes at your crap joke is horrible. Unless it is offensive, I always laugh at speech makers jokes because I know how terrifying it is to stand up there and speak in front of all those people.

So, after all this "last word" stuff, it is common for the bride, if speaking, to go last? Or is there a more obvious place (I always think the final speech/toast should be best man to bride and groom). I was going to go first and have the "first word" - any eye-rolling going on? ?

I suppose as it's not sticking with "tradition" (eek) then you can do your speech whenever you wanted as there won't be any set rules on the subject. If you did it first then it wouldn't be perceived as an add on because the groom's forgotten to say something maybe?

WSS!

At my wedding I'm having

My mums speech

My few words

Grooms speech

Best man's speech

I always thought that was the order it was supposed to go in, but if the 'last word' jokes are that popular then maybe other people do it:

Father of bride

Groom

Bride

Best man

I suppose you could mix it up into whatever order works for you, but I like the father, bride, groom, best man order the best.

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!

But I can only speak for me!!!

If I go to a wedding which doesn't follow MY entire taste I don't think it's a horrible wedding, and I don't believe anyone actually ever said that.

Wowsers, epic.

I am interested by Knitting Vixen's comments that 'some people on this thread have come accross as judgemental by saying that people roll their eyes when the bride speaks at a wedding', particularly as I was the one to make reference to the eye rolling so can safely assumed it is aimed at me.

I'm really not sure how relaying a story makes me judgmental. For what it's worth, I do think it's very rude behaviour. Nevertheless, I saw it happen so thought it was worth mentioning. I see no harm in relaying an anecdote as is often done on here.

CB, when I made that comment, I was not directly quoting you nor could I remember who had said it. I tend to read people's comments and then make my comment based on what I had read generally.

So perhaps rather than aim my comment at you I should have aimed it generally at guests at weddings.

Also, I not intend for it to seem I was having a go at anyone (you or Geordie Bride).

Couldnt have put it better myself!!! x