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Helen**
Beginner March 2015

Did you promise to Obey?

Helen**, 24 July, 2009 at 15:04

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I didn't, not a chance. But my best friend did, the vicar sold it to her and then she tried to sell it to me?. Also who wrote a wedding report on WP? Own up, I think I was to drunk by the end of the night to remember all of it shy so just posted the pics.

I didn't, not a chance. But my best friend did, the vicar sold it to her and then she tried to sell it to me?.

Also who wrote a wedding report on WP? Own up, I think I was to drunk by the end of the night to remember all of it shy so just posted the pics.

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  • lyni
    Beginner October 2008
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    Exactly what HC said.

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  • Spamboule
    Beginner October 2008
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    Good grief - agreeing to obey? No way ?

    I did do a brief wedding report though, but not nearly as detailed as some of the ones you read over there...

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  • Old Nick Esq.
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    Verily:-

    Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives be subject in everything to their husbands.

    So do as you're bloody well told you heathens!

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  • *ginni of the lamp*
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    I promised to love, honour and obey, Mr G promised to love, honour and cherish. My FIL took our wedding service and there's no way he would have let me out of obeying without a fight, but I'd already rationalised it to myself (see below) so no need for a spat with the new FIL ?.

    My interpretation is that in cherishing me he would afford me complete respect and in obeying him I would let him make the final decision on an issue we couldn't agree about despite working through it for as long as we could - certainly not that I'd slavishly adhere to his every whim or lose my own mind/point of view. He understood that that's what I meant, and in fact, we've not had many issues we couldn;t reach a compromise on. I'm not implying my marriage is perfect, or that I'm a submissive wife, far from it, but we work it out in a way we can both live with.

    I didn't do a wedding report as I got married several years before I joined Hitched, but never say never, maybe I'll do one one day for a laugh and scan in a picture of me in my fabulous 90's wedding dress ?. I wonder what the planners would say to that.

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  • Kazmerelda
    Beginner August 2006
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    I guess for me obey didn't mean "get my tea on the table" and "I will make the final decision whilst banning the table with a firm hand".....I guess it was just about mutual respect for each other. He promised to cherish me as well.

    I just found an article that puts it was better than me and says this in it:

    Obeying the husband, according to the church, is more about the father being the head of the family and leading his wife and kids toward a fulfilled life.

    I think that's quite a good way of summing it up.

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  • Lu2
    Beginner October 2002
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    No report, but I did promise to honour and obey. And gather the flax. He promised to cherish. As my price is above rubies I he's not really in a bargaining position...

    It is more to do with acknowledging him as guide for the family than doing as one is told. And as someone says, those who truly cherish respect opinions. I'm not entirely sure he respects them all the time but if I voice them loud enough anything goes...?

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  • Spring
    Beginner February 2008
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    I said obey.

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  • D
    Beginner August 2003
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    Yip, I said obey. I am traditional and didn't want it any other way.

    Why? well I trust that he won't ask anything of me that is not right-I accept that I may, at some point, be right and he will be wrong, but I'm happy to obey his decision because I know he respects me.

    Report- yes

    Photos-yes.

    I'm a yes girl.

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  • Hyacinth
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    Because nobody is as clever as him ? what a totally dickish thing to post.

    We were told it was no longer the done thing in the CofE and were not given the option. I certainly would not have obeyed anyway, theres no point making a legal and public declaration that I will not keep to.

    Mind you the vicar also wanted my dad to reply "her Mother and I do" when asked who was giving me away. My Father (V. traditional & old fashioned Catholic) said "I won't be saying that, no" ?

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  • Ms. SA
    Beginner September 2005
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    P&P, I winced when I read your reply here. I still surf these boards a lot, and you're better than that. Stop being a prat ?

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  • CBear
    Beginner April 2009
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    I didn't obey, I did do a report and post some pics.

    Saying obey was never an issue, in a Civil Partnersip the vows are a lot more modern. I'm sure we could have said it, but I wouldn't want to obey my OH and I wouldn't want her to obey me. (Although I wish she'd get my tea on, I'm bloody starving! ?)

    As for the "kneejerk feminist reaction" comment, why does anything to do with feminist have to be kneejerk? Feminism is a serious issue, to those that believe in it. I put a lot of thought into things like that. I go by 'Ms', always have done, and would even if I had married a man, because I don't think that women should define themselves and their social status by whether they have a man in their lives. I dislike the tradition of a bride being given away, because this is a throwback to women being considered the legal property of their fathers until they married, when they were passed to their husbands. I dislike that only men are meant to speak at weddings. There's a lot more (non-wedding related) but I won't rant! And I don't judge those who go down the more traditional route, I'm just trying to say that feminism isn't knee-jerk, it's not all about "man-hating, to some people it's about important issues.

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  • Lumpy Golightly
    Expert February 2003
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    Hmm... I'm not sure what you're getting at either. Put it this way, I like to consider myself an autonomous being. I try not to blindly follow orders (I'm often unpoular at work because of this, but I am very persuasive and can usually make people see why I am being difficult.) There was no way on this Earth I was going to put myself in a position where someone else could give me an order or instruction. As I only made vows I thought I could keep, 'obey' could NOT be in there. To be honset, I respect my husband too much to have wanted it the other way round too - I don't expect him to obey me.

    I also get irritated that 'feminism' has such a negative image that you consider any statement of it to be 'kneejerk'.

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  • Helen**
    Beginner March 2015
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    I did think about it, the vicar explained what he it meant in our marriage preperation classes. But I still don't get it, if I had said obey when would I of had to obeyed(sp) my husband?

    To me this is what obey means.

    o⋅bey
    –verb (used with object) 1. to comply with or follow the commands, restrictions, wishes, or instructions of: to obey one's parents. 2. to comply with or follow (a command, restriction, wish, instruction, etc.). 3. (of things) to respond conformably in action to: The car obeyed the slightest touch of the steering wheel. 4. to submit or conform in action to (some guiding principle, impulse, one's conscience, etc.).

    –verb (used without object)

    Disclaimer - its my 31st Birthday today and I've had a few glasses of wine at the pub, feeling a bit ? so hopefuly still making sense!

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  • Kazmerelda
    Beginner August 2006
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    Helen not sure if you read my response and to be fair I should have said doesn;t matter if you are religious or not but it is quite a "nice" way of putting it.

    I have to say I was the only one of my friends who did say obey, so I think I am in a small minority.

    I was going to say at the end of the day marriage is showing commitment no matter the words then realised that would be a stupid comment as I know loads of non marrieds who are just as commited.

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  • Melawen
    Beginner January 2007
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    Hmmm obey - nah don't think we went for that option. In fact as I recall, the vicar asked about whether we wanted it and I think we looked at each other and laughed.

    Report - I joined hitched about this time 5 years ago - about six weeks before my wedding so as a relative newcomer (there are a few names I recognise as getting married at about the same time as me) I did go for this. Then after the wedding I buggered off for about four months until losing my cat when I needed some support and this place was it!

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  • Melawen
    Beginner January 2007
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    Bloomin heck - how good a guess was that - I've been here 5 years on Monday!

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  • Lumpy Golightly
    Expert February 2003
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    Doesn't work for me. He's not a father - we don't have and don't want kids. And he is not the head of the family either; we are equals. He's not the boss of me. ?

    I have chosen to spend my life with him but I would have lived a fulfilled life whether I'd met him or not.

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  • Helen**
    Beginner March 2015
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    Sorry I should of replied. I did ask so thank you for repyling, you mean this?

    Obeying the husband, according to the church, is more about the father being the head of the family and leading his wife and kids toward a fulfilled life.

    But don't we create a fulfiled life together? Why does he get to be the head can't we take in turns depending on who has more knowledge and expierence about that situation. For example I do all the money in our house, I arrange the mortgage, bank accounts etc... Being a carpenter he does all the DIY, earns about 66% of the moeny etc...

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  • hazel
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    I'm a bit bored of feminism being a bad thing tbh.

    I didn't obey - MrH said he didn't want that level of responsibility ?

    It's clearly a personal thing - noone else knows the balance in someone else's marriage and I certainly don't think it means you automatically end up being repressed or should hand in your feminist badge if you choose to say it. But it wasn't for me.

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  • hazel
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    Noone said the head of the house has to be in charge of everything

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  • Helen**
    Beginner March 2015
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    OK fair enough. Still not convinced I should of said "Obey" though.

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  • Kazmerelda
    Beginner August 2006
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    I guess it is a personal thing like you say Hazel.

    It's hard to put down what is in my head if only I could pull my brain out and stick it on here ?. To answer Helen I guess I was trying to say that there are negative connotations to the word obey which people are going to feel. That is a less negative way of looking at it.

    Lumpy, not sure if I offended you with talk of kids if so I do apologise.

    It's odd I am sitting here trying to understand why I would have not said obey, yet everyone here has valid reasons. I really don't think feminism has anything to do with it, more a personal choice surely?

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  • Helen**
    Beginner March 2015
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    Thank you for replying. I can understnd what your saying but still don't regret not saying it.

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  • Lumpy Golightly
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    Not half as much as the suggestion of 'knee jerk reactions' offended me. It's my choice not to have kids - mine more than Mr Golightly's if I'm honest. I'm a big believer in choice, which is why I can't obey.

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  • Kazmerelda
    Beginner August 2006
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    I think this is the main thing as long as we are happy with our choices that we have made....this is quite an interesting debate as from my side it is not something I gave a great deal of thought to as I knew my choice but it is really fascinating to see other people's reactions to this and opinions.

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  • SnowflakeMum
    Beginner January 2012
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    Another one not really given the choice about obeying, although I wouldn't have said it even if we had had the choice. H knows his place ?

    No report and no photos either, but mainly because I thought no-one would want to read them - thought they might wonder who I was! Same went for my birth announcement/story on BT, couldn't imagine anyone wanting to read it!

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  • Zebra
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    I think people who say that cherish equals respect and that they trust their H not to ask them to do something that wouldn't disagree with have rather missed the point.

    To obey your H means that you believe your H has authority over you, has the God-given right to give you instruction. If you believe that you are equal partners and have equal (even if different) responsiblities but no authority over each other, and don't believe that God made the H head of the household and in authority over wife and children, then obey is going to be entirely wrong for you as a couple.

    I've no issue with people who follow this belief system but I do believe it's entirely irrelvant to how the vast majority of couples view their marriage and the fact that most Anglican ministers don't even suggest the wife uses that vow anymore pretty much confirms that fact.

    It's not about being traditional or old fashiond or feminist, knee jerk or otherwise.

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  • spacecadet_99
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    My view on it is that marriage is a partnership. The view that the 'father' leads the family not only undermines the role of most women in a family environment, it suggests that the man is seen as a 'father figure' for the family even if it's a family of two. Why? Our society has moved so far from this patriarchal kind of model that it amazes me that there is anyone that is willing to say it. If there is an issue that MrSC and I cannot agree on, either by one letting the other have their own way or by finding a compromise, then I would be concerned. Admittedly, letting the other have their way may mean one of us isn't 100% happy with the decision but that's what you live with when you enter into a partnership - that you may have to sacrifice some of your wants in order to keep things moving along. Additionally, who says he will be the one who is right? There are areas where he is better placed to make a decision than me, and areas where he would acknowledge that I'm better placed to make a decision.

    To those who have said they would obey, is this to the exclusion of anything else? I.e. if you were in mountains of debt but your husband wanted the two of you to have an exclusive all inclusive holiday just for the hell of it would you let him book it? If you were anti-smacking but he thought that was the best method of discipline would you allow him to smack your child? I'm just struggling to get my head round the idea that you would give away control/input into the decisions that affect your life in this way. I'm not saying that you don't have the right to chose this for yourself, I just want to understand why.

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  • hazel
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    I'm not one of those people but from talking to friends who have chosen the 'obey' option, their feeling is that the vow to obey is taken to reflect his vow to worship or similar word (depending on service) and that if he worships/cherishes/whatever then he would not ask you to obey him by doing something you do not want to do. If he worships you he wouldn't tell you you must do something something that is demeaning/destructive/that you don't want to do.

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  • spacecadet_99
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    [Devil's advocate] But if he thinks he is worshipping you by whisking you away on holiday, or if he has a genuine heartfelt belief that smacking is the best form of discipline and would make your life easier then I can see a situation where he would be 'worshipping' you and you would have to either break your vows or agree to something against your fundamental beliefs/what is best for your family [/devil's advocate]

    But then I

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  • Spring
    Beginner February 2008
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    Taking the above example. It's about trusting your H to make the best decision for you and the family. If you were in mountains of debt and your H suggested going on holiday, that would not be the best decision for you and your family so i know my H would never suggest that.

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  • Kazmerelda
    Beginner August 2006
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    Surely obey is going to be different for different people? Also I see the examples that you have given SC but each person would I guess comment differently on that as they are quite extreme ones.

    I am trying not to personally comment about myself, but I do agree with Hazel's devils advocate comment.

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