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Jayned
Beginner May 2001

flabbergasted...cannot comprehend this (ex wife related)

Jayned, 14 May, 2012 at 14:08

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this is a sensitive topic.... my OH has 2 kids with ex....a 12 year old girl and a vulnerable 7 year old boy (he has slight 'special needs') and they both live with her. we both found out a few weeks ago that the guy she has been seeing for just over a year was arrested for downloading pornographic...

This is a sensitive topic....

my OH has 2 kids with ex....a 12 year old girl and a vulnerable 7 year old boy (he has slight 'special needs') and they both live with her.

we both found out a few weeks ago that the guy she has been seeing for just over a year was arrested for downloading pornographic images of children and put on the sex offenders register!!!!.....SHE IS STILL SEEING HIM!

now as a woman and a mother (albeit a step one) I cannot for the life of me understand why she still sees him....to me it beggars belief. she has been told if he goes near the house when the kids are there she will lose custody.

she has made excuses for his behaviour, but there really is no excuse for that type of behaviour surely?

excuse 1....he was younger and he was one drugs..........I did drugs when I was younger and no matter how 'off it' I was the thought of child pornography never entered my head

excuse 2...his nan had just died......I found my nan dead in bed and again the thought of downloading those images never entered my head

for me it would be easy......if a partner of mine did that he would be gone. No matter if I'd been with him a year or 10 years...he'd be out of my life, especially if I had children.

I find it quite sick....he's undergoing some form of evaluation to see if he's a danger to children, but in my mind they can't see what's going on in his head....it disturbs me to think he may have had improper thought about my 2 stepchildren and it makes me sick

what are your views? are you like me or would you make excuses, hope he's changed and carry on seeing him?????? I cannot for the life of me get my head around this one

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  • (Claire)
    Beginner July 2011
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    OB I can only comment from the facts given. He knew their age according to the OP.

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  • ForTheLoveOfMrsBrown
    Beginner January 2012
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    Anna Kournikova was at an illegal age when she first popped onto the tennis scene. Any man who looked twice at her - or imagined her without her clothes on - is "sick and disgusting"? I'm not sure I'd go that far.

    So a man who was registered on the Sex Offender's Register at the age of 18, for the act of consensual sex with a 15 year old, is a danger to young children? I just don't see it as a given.

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  • (Claire)
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    I am simply voicing my opinion from the information stated by the OP! In this case he was 25 not 18, totally unacceptable in my books.

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  • HatTrick
    Beginner September 2010
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    Footlong - Admittedly the OP does not know/has not stated the ages of the children involved BUT the tone of her posts (her original post in particular) suggests that we are talking about young children here, not adolescents. That's how I took the post anyway.

    So I don't really see your point in reference to Anna What's-her-face when it's clear to me that both the OP and Claire are referring to young children?

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  • Mrs C
    Beginner March 2011
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    I agree with FTLOMB and OB... there is a huge difference between a toddler and a 15 year old. I am not saying that it makes it ok, just that circumstances are often very very different.

    That said, I wouldn't have my children anywhere near that house until it was confirmed that he was out of their lives for good.

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  • Blonde Viki
    Beginner July 2012
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    Complete tangent but I love your signature Old Bear Smiley smile

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  • (Claire)
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    I didnt say that I viewed mild consensual crime as serious as full on rape. I basically implied that I would not want my children around anyone that was registered on the sex offenders list.

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  • (Claire)
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    I didnt say that I viewed mild consensual crime as serious as full on rape. I basically implied that I would not want my children around anyone that was registered on the sex offenders list.

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  • ForTheLoveOfMrsBrown
    Beginner January 2012
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    It's not clear to me that young children are involved. In fact, I think it's unlikely, given that such a situation would generate a far more immediate response from the police and social services to remove him from children. People who look at pre-pubescent children in pornographic pictures go to prison, simple. He is not in prison, therefore it seems likely (to me) there is information here that might explain the situation further.

    To be blunt (but not bitchy!), I try not to be a Daily Mail reader!

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  • Jayned
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    no, there is no risk of him seeing the children....once she found out about it off the SS they told her that until his evaluation has been completed if she had him round the house or saw him around the children they would be taken off her. She may be misguided and a *** of a woman to me & my OH but there is no way she would put her kids at risk like that. Plus here mother would have something to say about it (she lives with them!)

    so I know they kids are not at risk.....again my original issue was not this, but the fact that she still wants to see him that bothered me...

    also like she told us, she sees him so very rarely now that she doesn't see any future for them (no *** Sherlock).

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  • (Claire)
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    Very unfair Footlong!

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    I reiterate my point. How do you know this for sure when you live so far away?

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  • HatTrick
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    Ah, probably just me not reading properly then. I'll get back to work ?

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  • HatTrick
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    Me too.

    Between me and you I prefer The Sun ?

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  • HatTrick
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    Sorry PJ but I still don't think think that you can be SURE that there is no chance of it happening.

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  • kharv
    Beginner March 2012
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    I've got to say I agree with Footlong that it is not clear what age of children are being discussed here. The OP said of illegal age but that could be 15.

    Also think the comment about Anna Kournikova is relevant as the OP stated he knew what age the children were. A lot of men were attracted to Anna K despite knowing her age.

    I'm not excusing this but I do believe there are levels and it's not clear what level we're talking about here.

    What age were the children in the images OP?

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  • ForTheLoveOfMrsBrown
    Beginner January 2012
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    You are being bitchy for disgareeing with me Smiley winking

    Anyway, it was an undirected comment, meant to parody the "hang 'em all" stereotype...

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  • Storky
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    I think if it were my family involved I wouldn't be discussing it on a forum where I advertise my business.

    FWIW, in a fictional scenario, I'm with FTLOMB on the lack of clarity however if I had to take a blanket view I wouldn't want to be with someone who is on the Register, nor would I want any children of mine to be around him/her. I really wouldn't like to comment about the OP's actual situation as it sits rather uncomfortably with me.

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  • Jayned
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    I'm a bit sorry I started all this now......I just wondered if other women felt the same as me about her still seeing him

    1 the children were young

    2 she IS NOT seeing him around the children.....she meets him in another town on the rare occasions they do meet (the times she meets him has halfed since this happened)....solicitors are involved

    3 she IS NOT taking him to the house when the kids are asleep as her mother lives with them!

    4 she may be a ***, but she WILL not put her kids at risk and WILL NOT take the risk that she may lose them.

    again my original post stated how shocked I was at her still seeing him. Even if his evaluation turns out he is no risk (as the SS and solicitors think) I still wouldn't be able to carry on seeing a man like that....just wanted to to see how many thought like me or who may have been blinded by love ( can love make you blind to a crime like this?)

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  • Blonde Viki
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    Ok, if you know for sure that she is not seeing him when the kids are around and he is not at the house so doesnt come into contact with the kids why are you bothered?

    Just coming at this from another angle...

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  • Jayned
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    I'm bothered because I personally don't understand why she is still seeing him. If my OH paid for and downloaded sexual images of young children, no matter how long I had been with him, he would be out on his ear. I wouldn't be able to be with a man who thought of young children as sexual beings!!

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    But if the kids arent in any danger (as you have said) it has nothing to do with you who she sees.

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  • Jayned
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    I know it's not. That's not what my original post was about. I was just wondering if anyone else felt like me..ie the OH would be out on their ear, or if my 'hatred' of the ex had clouded my vision

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  • Mellow_Yellow
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    Sorry - jumping in late here!

    OP - I can't see a rough age mentioned anywhere? I can only see the work young used, but that means different things to different people...I think my four year old neice is young, my colleagues think that I'm young at 23, my gran thinks that my OH is young at 33, etc. I know you mention underage, but by six months or six years?

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    As I would I but it would have nothing to do with me.

    I would only be bothered if the kids were in danger which the OP had said they arent.

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  • Jayned
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    I know where you're coming from Trickers....and yes, it doesn't have anything to do with me who she sees, but like Kochanski, it creeps me out. I couldn't look at OH again in the same way if he'd done the same thing!

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    Sorry i disagree. I do think it has everything to do with PrincessJayned and her husband who the mother sees.

    To me it's a massive enlightenment to someone's character if the woman has children could even like a person who has previously been interested in child porn.

    How can anyone say that this man has overcome his perversion? His word wouldn't be enough. I would fail to trust anyone like that.

    No one owes him forgiveness or trust.

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  • Gurzle
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    Although possible (most things are this), this is highly, highly unlikely. Statutory rape doesn't really get used anymore as a term which really lends itself to the fact that more often that not this sort of case would just never ever get to trial; it tends to be labelled as 'sexual intercourse with a young person under the age of 16'. What I'm saying, is the shift in language here reflects a shift in societal/judicial response.

    As for the downloading of child pornography, the reason why it 'sells' is purely because it is images of children. Sadly (in my opinion) there are more than enough young women over the age of 16 happy to pose as school children on 'legitimate' pornography sites, anyone actively looking for pictures of underage young people involved in sexualised behaviourr can find just this. I can't help but feel that it would unlikely that someone might accidentally look at a 15 year old, without this young person being explicitly advertised as being at that age - this is her unique selling point. There is a lot of money in this sort of thing - it would not make much sense to have a 15 year old masquerading as someone over age.

    I absolutely understand what some are saying about finding out all of the facts, but I have to say, weighing up the odds, I am not immediately struck by the unlikeliness of this situation. And ultimately, above all else, the safeguarding of a child must take priority - there is simply no room to consider the rights of adults first, as an adult can look after themselves, whereas it is our duty as a society to always put a child first - and this should be reflected in all of our actions as human beings, not just as a whole society.

    I do also believe we have a duty to find out the truth and ensure people are treated fairly, but in my opinion this can be done after the safety of the child has been absolutely guaranteed.

    A risk to child isn't always a physical risk of abuse - influences on young people's lives can be very powerful. Whilst someone on the sex offenders' register might not pose a predatory risk to a child or young person, are they a good, pro social influence?

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    Nodding in total agreement.

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