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memedoaky
Beginner September 2008

H went on his brother's stag do on Saturday night and......(long, sorry)

memedoaky, 3 February, 2009 at 18:21 Posted on Planning 0 16

It ended up in a fight!

Basically the short version is my BIL FIL2B is a bully, he bullies his wife (and has been known to use his fists☹️) and his 3 children. So he naturally thinks that he can bully anyone that his children bring home. Up until last week he was fine with BIL, but then his attitude towards him totally changed and he's been trying to bully him all week.

It all came to a head on Saturday night when the boys were out having the stag night. THe FIL2b chose to bring his 14 year old son (including buying him pints until he was legless) and told everyone there that he's his son and there is nothing anyone can do?. My H and his dad are members of a men only social club and BIL wanted to go there as the drink is cheap and as its all members the atmosphere is good. My H called the club earlier in the week and gained the permission of the committee to allow the rest of the party in, not thinking for one minute that a 14 year old would be brought along. The club is strictly over 18's with no exceptions.

H and some of the others decided to go out a little earlier to watch the Man U match and told BIL about it and he was happy to go, he then called on the day to say he'd changed his mind and would meet them later at the agreed time/place. We now know that his fiancee fobade him from going out early!!!

They all met up later on at the only bar in the town that does not have doormen as it was the only place that the 14 year old could get into. However still at this time my H and the rest of the stag party had no idea said 14 year old was going. BIL did not know that his BIL2b was going either. They assumed that they were all meeting there as it is a well known bar in the centre of town and they would then move round to the social club after everyone arrived.

When it was time to leave my BIL FIL2B said he couldn't go because his son would not get in and the rest of the party then had to decide what to do, they all said the choice of where to go was down to BIL as it was his stag night, he opted to go to the social club as that was the original plan that was made just after Christmas. So off they went leaving his FIL2B and BIL2B in the pub. About 5 minsutes after they arrived at the social club BIL phone started ringing, H saw the name on the screen and it was the fiancee. She was calling telling him to get is butt back round to the pub where her dad was and sit with him and her brother. Apparently she had known that her little brother was going too and did not say anything. So poor BIL went back round to the bar.

As soon as he got in the door of the pub his FIL2B jumped up and started screaming abuse in his face calling him a selfish w@nker etc etc for going off and leaving him. FIL2B continued that he was out of order for doing what he wanted to do on his own stag night etc and then told him that if he even tried to lift his hands to him that he would be on the floor before he knew if, WTF!! Finally he then told BIL that he was ready to have a "rumble" with his dad. The whole bar had descended into silence and 2 of the bar men were standing guard in case punches were thrown!

BIL left the pub and headed back round to his family and friends on arrival my H something was wrong with his bro and pulled him to the side to ask what was wrong, this is when the whole story came out. My H was livid (he's always been very protective of his brother) and went and told his dad. 5 of them (My H, my FIL, H cousin and 2 family friends) then went looking for BIL FIL2B, who had by this time known he was in the wrong and had disappeared!!

Oh dear, tensions are extremley high now and I dread to think what would have happened if my H and the rest of them would've got a hold of the FIL2B. My H probably would've been arrested and FIL2B would be in hospital!!

My PIL and H are now worried about the wedding, as the FIL2B is known for getting a bit aggressive once he's got a drink in him and may kick off again. He did apologise to my BIL the next day, but its since came out that its not the first time he's had a go at BIL then later apologised, but BIL said nothing as he didn't want to cause a fight, so really his apologies mean nothing.

Sorry for the long post, but the atmosphere is horrid and no-one is really sure how to handle the situation, I will as always be staying out of it and I'll be keeping H as far away from the FIL2B on the wedding day, which may prove difficult as my H is best man. My H has said to both me and his parents that he will not fight with the man on the day as he would never ruin the day for his wee brother.

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Latest activity by memedoaky, 11 February, 2009 at 12:47
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    Beginner January 1999
    irrelephant ·
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    Thats sounds like an awful situation. Also can i just ask why didnt the fiancee tell your BIL that her younger brother was going? it could have saved so much trouble on the night!

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  • Beccy Sprout
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    That sounds like a nightmare... I can't stand bullies. Hope the wedding doesn't descend into more of the same.

    B x

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  • memedoaky
    Beginner September 2008
    memedoaky ·
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    Sorry for the late response, I was eating my dinner?

    Anywhooo to answer your Q DWC, we have no idea why she said nothing!!

    The only thing we can gather is that her dad, who she thinks is the be and end all of dads and is always right, told her he was going and that it was it. She probably didn't think that it mattered iyswim.

    Her dad has been taking the son out on a regular basis to get him drunk, so she probably thought that my BIL would have known he was going. My H never actually got to organise the stag night and invite people, he was told by his wee bro that it was all organised, the only thing H did was organise them all entrance into his social club as his brother isn't a member, but he did ask H to try to get them access as the drink is cheaper and it has a better atmosphere. He would never have asked H to organise this had he known that the teenager was being brought along.

    H asked his brother why the teenager was there when they walked into the bar to meet everyone, he replied "I don't know, I have no idea." Then when one of the other guys on the stag night made a comment on him being there the dad replied "He's my son, if I want to bring him and buy him pints there is nothing you can do about it".

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    irrelephant ·
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    Oh dont worry about the late reply!

    I just can't understand why common sense didn't kick in with the fiancee. To me it would ring alarm bells if a 14 year old was going near that kind of drinking environment.I don't want to offend you or your H or BIL but I have a 14 year old sister and i hate it just when she drinks in the house! i'd seriously question my parents' morals and parenting ability if they let her go near something like that!

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    To be honest, i wouldnt care less about the FIL2B. I would be more concerned that his fiance is a controlling, manipulative deamanding little cow and dump her immediuately. Why the hell would he want to marry into that?

    He couldnt go on his own stag do early because she said no? Excuse me? Bye bye. Wedding cancelled. Lucky escpae.

    I would be VERY concerend if my brother was marrying someone like her.

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    Same here, it sounds like he's letting himself for a whole lot of trouble in the future.

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  • FIONATS73
    Beginner August 2009
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    Me thinks the same. But then again there must be something that he loves about her not sure what from what you say.

    x

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  • memedoaky
    Beginner September 2008
    memedoaky ·
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    Oooooh Pans I ❤️ you ?

    This is exactly how *we* feel about her. My H and his parents refuse to say anything though as its his life and there for his mistake.

    He's never allowed out, my H used to always call him to ask him out as my H can sign him in as a guest to the social club, but he alwaya says no, I've got my heating bill to pay or my phone bill to pay or another random excuse, so in the end he stopped asking, whch was probably the wrong thing to do but someone will only be told no so many times before they stop asking.

    BIL has became a complete recluse in the 5 years he's been with her. The finacee hates me (I've posted on here before on the topic) and since starting his relationship with her he now won't even look the road I'm on.

    *we as in everyone in the family except him, obviously!

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  • memedoaky
    Beginner September 2008
    memedoaky ·
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    No offence taken.

    They had no clue he was going until he turned up and then when they all questioned him about bringing his 14 year old son he just said he's my son I'll bring him if I want.

    It was bringing him that started the whole fight because he couldn't get into the places that everyone wanted to or had planned to go. However no one would bow down to it and left anyway. My FIL, BIL and H were horrified that he brought his son along, but at least they didn't change their plans to suit his crappy parenting!!

    As for commons sense, we seriously doubt that the fiancee has any, especially when it comes to her dad, she will do or go along with whatever he tells her.

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    What an awful situation!

    Sorry to say this but I hope your BIL comes to his senses before it's too late!, sounds like he's too good to be marrying into a family like that.

    Can your DH have a word with his wee bro to see why he feels he should be taking crap like that?

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  • memedoaky
    Beginner September 2008
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    Hi debs, sorry just saw this response.

    My H won't have a word with him as he doesn't think it would do any good. His look on it is its his life and of we wants to marry her then thats it. At the end of the day he's been with her for 5 years putting up with the same kind of treatment from her and he family, so he must see something we don't!!

    My MIL called today to tell H his wee brother is really stressing out about the wedding, to the point that he had to go to the emergencty doctor today with severe chest and arm pain!! The doctor checked him over and told him that it there was nothing medically wrong with him, its just stress!!

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    How long to they get married?, I've heard of men getting stressed but not to the point of needing to go to the hospital!, maybe if you H just told your BIL that he as there if and when he needed to talk (not that it's not obvious) but maybe there is something there that is worrying him and he doesn't feel like he can open up to anyone.

    Chest pains don't just come on for no reason ☹️

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    I think your H has to front up and say something. Especially if it's making his brother ill.

    We were concerned about our best man (H's best mate) and his plans to propose to his American girlfriend. From our view of things it looked like he was being manipulated in to proposing. It was a horrible conversation but we did it.

    Do you know what, our best man thanked us for having the guts to do it - it showed we cared. He said he was sure lots of other people were thinking the same but didn't say anything. We've (happily) been proven wrong and they have a fabulous marriage and 18 month yr old baby.

    What I'm trying to say is that sometimes you need to say something in order to allow someone to realise what they're doing could be a mistake. Our best man took it in the spirit in which it was said, and I'm sure your H's little bro would too.

    Good luck.

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    Beginner September 2008
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    Debs1701 - Again sorry for the delay in responding?.

    The wedding is this coming Saturday and as far as we know he has an appointment with his GP on Friday morning. He was also told his BP is quite high, alot higher than it should be for a guy if 22!!

    alison76 - Thanks for your input, I would love H to say something as the circumstances surrounding their engagement were very very dodgy, as in she booked the wedding behind his back (the day after we booked ours) then he proposed. So the whole situation has been fishy!!

    My H won't say anything though as he just says, well it his life and he's all the man he'll ever be, so he needs to make his own decisions. I kind of agree with him and a few years ago me and BIL had a very open honest relationship where I would've been able to talk to him about these things, but since he started going out with his fiancee he won't even look at me or talk to me when we're in the same room. As a result our relationship is now non-exsistent to the point where he won't come round to our house if he knows there!

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    Your BIL is obviously not ready for the commitment that marriage brings or his health wouldn't be starting to suffer.

    I understand were you and your H are coming from but this poor kid needs some kind of help/guidance/advice. He probably feels trapped, especially with the way she planned the whole thing, what would she of done if he hadn't of proposed?

    If your BIL is unhappy now how is he going to feel after getting married? (that is if he goes through with it!), that's if his body lets him go through it, if his BP is high now a few days before the wedding god knows how high it's going to be going through with something he really doesn't want to.

    It's an awful situation, I just feel so sorry for your BIL, can your FIL or MIL try and speak to him about how he is feeling, not to talk him out of it, it could just be nerves but it could be he doesn't want to get married yet and doesn't have anyone to turn to ☹️

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    I understand it's a difficult conversation to have but I'm afraid I have to agree with everyone else.

    My HTB was best man about 2 years ago at a wedding where he had doubts about the suiability of the Bride. He took the Groom aside about a week before the wedding for an 'are you sure about this?' conversation.

    I think it was the right thing to do then (even though said bride was my sister) and the right thing to do now. Your BIL has chosen your H to be his best man; the man to represent his best interests on this momentous day. Your H would be doing him a disservice to NOT bring up his concerns.

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  • memedoaky
    Beginner September 2008
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    Hi all,

    Thanks for the advice and comments!

    MIL popped in last night to let us know that the rehersal was tonight, but H can't go cos he's got work, appparently BIL & fiancee forgot to call him to let him know so sent MIL round instead?

    Anyway while she was here H tackled her about the whole sorry situation and she confessed that both her and FIL are dreading Saturday for various reasons, one being that they think its a mistake on his part. H then told her that if thats how she felt then she needed to speak to BIL about it and ask the million dollar question.

    She then said that FIL had got a hold of him on Monday afternoon (he waited outside his work for him) and offered him a lift home. During the journey he had the chat with him and asked the all important question. All BIL said was hmmm, FIL is not convinced but has advised him that its not too late to cancel and if he's worried about the money thats been paid then whats losing a few grand when its your happiness at stake, BIL still replied hmmm.

    So in a nutshell they've now had the chat but FIL said its like its fallen on deaf ears, so they've returned to the "its his life, therefore his mistake to make" way of thinking.

    I'll let you all know how the wedding goes as its this Saturday!

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