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Ms. SA
Beginner September 2005

Jobs: Convincing yourself how much you're worth? (interview panic)

Ms. SA, 13 October, 2008 at 17:27 Posted on Off Topic Posts 0 5

As a fair few folk on here know (i've had enough careers advice from you lot over the years ?), I'm a recent graduate in software eng., and have just come from a Masters which is highly, highly specialised sub-field of it. I've applied for what appears to be my dream job in a small-ish organisation, as a developer. Having passed assessments and 1st stage interviews I've been called back for 2nd. I'll be meeting a panel of 3 interviewers, including 1 from HR.

My worry is: if they ask me how much of a salary I am looking for, I have no idea how to answer. I mean, at the agency advertiser's initial call I replied that my salary expectations depended on factors such as company, its sector, my role and hours, etc - which is great to bluff without giving an exact figure to work for. Agent then mentioned 20k-22k (which is great for a graduate job, from what I know).

But at the 2nd stage, what to do if they (employer itself) ask? I mean, how does it normally work - do they just offer me a contract and I say yay or nay, and if Nay I'll surely have to justify why I think I'm worth more? I hate discussing money matters and just hope it will be written down and I'll have a chat with the agent who advertised it.. but...

The problem is that I have no idea how much my skills are worth. I have several paid employment experiences as a developer, plus others in IT, plus I'm not just a Bach. grad, plus it's a financial service IT company which tend to pay grads more.

Basically what I'm asking is: Normally I'd look up salary expectations online for similar candidates and similar roles, but what to deem my "value" if it's in such a specialised role, and I offer some things above and beyond? I can't really turn around and pluck up "well I have a Masters compared to that guy grad who started this week, gimme 1k more damnit" ? On the other hand I don't know if they turn around and offer me the lower band mentioned I should bite their hands off because they're paying me more than I'm "worth" ?

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Latest activity by Doughnut, 13 October, 2008 at 20:06
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    Beginner January 2006
    seraphina ·
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    Tricky, especially given the current financial climate. I would tend to go a bit higher than what I want and then be prepared to negotiate - for instance, if you reckon on 22k as the ceiling, then go for 21k etc.

    But if they put you in at the bottom of the scale (or maybe no matter what), do your best to get it in writing that they will review your salary in 6 months' time or something - this way you get a chance to negotiate again once you get a feel for the company.

    Good luck!!

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  • Moomoo
    Beginner July 2008
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    I'd go in high and straight faced. my basis for this is that my h (who is a network and voice engineer) went for a job with another company and was offered £35k basic. his wage with his current firm was £26.5k basic. his original firm counter-offered the £35k and kept him with the promise of £50k-60k on getting his CCIE, but told him in no uncertain terms that they weren't impressed that he went for another job instead of telling them he wanted a rise. i personally think that he did the right thing - they would have offered him £28k if he'd not had something else lined up, and he would have taken it and been grateful to the cheeky swine, when he's worth lots more and works his arse off on highly lucrative billable work for them, and always goes above and beyond...

    but, aside from my rant, my point is this - half the people who go for IT jobs (from what my h has seen while interviewing for lesser positions) are fruit loops who don't know the first thing about anything at all, or have less than no interpersonal skills. therefore, if you know what you're doing and you don't twitch compulsively and try to lick clients' faces, you're in a strong position, but any business will always try to pay as little for you as possible.

    hope that's some use, given that i don't personally know much about the sector ?

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  • Knownowt
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    I wouldn't talk figures until you have a firm offer. At the moment you're in a weak position- you don't know whether they want you, what the other candidates are like etc- and they are in a strong position. That's not a situation from which you want to be negotiating salary. If they ask it's perfectly ok to say that you'd rather not talk figures at this point but that you're looking for a salary that reflects your skills and qualifications (or something equally vague). Good luck!

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  • lobster
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    I hate this question, or the related "what are you currently earning". I guess in a job like this where it's very technical there's a narrower salary band but I've often found there's a few ways a position can be filled so it's not always obvious what salary the employer is thinking of.

    In the past I've hid behind my agent and said that they asked that all salary negotions were with them, or said something like " It depends on the package as a whole, training oportuniteis, other benefits etc.

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  • Ms. SA
    Beginner September 2005
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    Thank you, all. This is exactly the sort of advice I was after, both on my position and direct responses that I can answer with, should it arise.

    I admit to laughing out loud at the being a weirdo/"licking client faces" bit re: interpersonal skills, I know exactly what you mean by that ?

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  • Doughnut
    Beginner June 2008
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    If they try and talk figures I'd ask what, roughly, the pay scale is for someone with X years/months experience in such and such a role and with X qualifications is (specifying your experience & quals here obviously). You can then ask where they'd place you on the scale. They will then probably ask you where you'd place yourself ?. This is probably a bit cheeky but it has worked for me!

    I'm still gutted that in my current job the 'informal chat' as the agent sold it to me was with the decision maker who had in front of him what I earned in my last job and offered me a few quid more and I'm still on less than was advertised 2 years later! I hadn't prepared the salary conversation and just stuttered and said Yes to a job with much more travel and hours and two weeks less annual leave ?

    Good luck, and stick around for a while huh? ?

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