Kym Marsh ( sens )

I didnt even know she was expecting, but then Im not 'up' on 'sleb' news.

Please don't take this as a dig at you but I'm not really sure why we needed to know this. It's unbearably sad news for her and her family but I can't see the point of recycling this news (moreso as it's being widely reported).

I was just shocked and saddened to see it and shared, sorry if it offends anyone x

Why is it a problem she's posted it? Its no different to other posts about people who have passed away.

I saw the news earlier on Digitalspy. It's very sad.

its yet another gaudy example of the celebrity obsessed culture we live in. its an intensely private thing, and i havent the f irst idea why someone would want to post about this tragic event on here. it is not like "other people who have passed away" at all. we know its sad, its awful, but why post about it? whats it to achieve?

I take your point, Zoe, but this feels more like 'celeb news' than actual news iyswim. We post about the death of a celebrity because it's a loss to some of us whereas in this case (although not Kat's intention i'm sure) as if people want to share in Kym Marsh's very personal loss by spreading the news. That aspect seems odd to me. Difficult concept to explain outside of my head.

Is this not just the same type post as the Jade Goody (sens) post?

Its sad news, esp if you'e been through something similar x

I know what you mean Baron, and I agree with you.

I see both your points (Nick and Baron) and probably personally agree more with you than not but some people will be interested (rightly or wrongly) so Im not sure its fair to say it shouldn't be posted.

Hmm. It's the kind of thing that gets posted on BT (as this has been) and often gets a big reaction. I can see the relevance of it there, it's a nightmare scenario which most pregnant women would think about at some point. But, it is voyeuristic and it has overtones of the kinds of mawkish outpourings of pretendy grief that accompany news events like Baby P or the death of Diana. In the end it isn't our business. It's not that we shouldn't care, of course it's a tragic event for the family involved, but why do we need to know? Why does a bereaved mother also have to run the gauntlet of press intrusion at probably the worst moment in her life? There's no public interest, there's nothing to be gained by us knowing about it, it's just a ploy to sell papers.

well put.

what pisses me off in addition what you just said is the the fact that this is somehow "news" when it is so intensely personal and private, and why oh why do some people then look to "pass on" this "news"? why? its hardly in the public interest, its just mawkish and in incredibly poor taste i think.

I see what your all saying and as above im sorry if it has offended or upset anyone.

I only saw it moments before i posted and wasn't sure if it had been posted, Just thought it was very sad and posted without thinking it would cause offense x

yes. my views on that are the same as this.

Please don't worry about posting, some people will want to know, some won't, it's the nature of the board.

Tragic, tragic news.

I don't feel this is in any way similar to Jade Goody. To Jade the attention is vital as it is how she is making her living - she is actively encouraging media attention, and hitched is all part of that machine, to a degree.

To me this is completely different, an intensely private thing not to be talked and shared in this way. However, that doesn't mean I don't think it should be posted, that is just how I personally feel, and I wouldn't generally choose to get into a conversation, or pass comment on their loss.

I didn;t even know Kym Marsh was pregnant, and wouldn't have been aware of this at all if it wasn't for this thread, so it IS possible to avoid knowing about these things/be struck by hearing it on hitched

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It's not that I don't agree with either of what you have said.

BUT given that celebrities and newspapers spend considerable time and effort trying to make people care about the products the celebs are selling, their diets, their clothes, their lifestyle, it's a bit unreasonable* to suggest that the public shouldn't be interested when something tragic happens to that celebrity or want to share the information.

It's quite possible to be an actor and a musician and have a fairly private life but if you choose not to do so...

* ETA - I don't think it's unreasonable so much as highly unlikely to happen. People like to gossip over people they feel they know, however tenuous the link.

I dont agree at all zeb. but then i find the whole "celebrity culture" thing abhorrent anyway, and those who buy into it to be feckless morons, so i m probably not the best person to argue this point. i must confess though, that i m absolutely delighted that this years big brother will be the last, as that hasnt helped at all.

That's the thing - I am completely out of the celeb culture as well, it really flies over my head and I suspect the only reason I know anything at all about any celebrity is through Hitched.

I just don't think you can expect (however much we might wish) people will turn off their nosiness genes just because it's something sad.

I would usually agree, had it not been for the six page spread in OK magazine announcing the pregnancy in the first place. Therefore, in my eyes, making it a public topic.

I don't think it's any different than "Oh how terribly sad, my cousin lost her baby at the weekend...". I don't 'know' Kim Marsh any more/less than I would know a hitcher's cousin? Yet it's still acceptable to post your condolenses, and express your sorrow in those cases.

However that said, I do think this is a BT topic rather than OT as I know poeple frequent this board in order to escape such threads ?

Where's the personal connection to Kym Marsh? I think that makes this entirely different. The fact that people feel some sort of connection to a random celebrity is quite strange.

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I'd not heard this before you posted it, terribly sad. If people aren't interested in celeb gossip/news then there really is no reason for them to open the thread in the first place.

I do find it all very strange

in that example though minx i would feel sorrow for the person i knew and their family

i can understand someone posting if they feel they need support because they are feeling very upset - but just as a piece of news - i dont really need to know - there is enough misery

i have to accept people have a different view to me about posting the celeby stuff in general - normally i find it boring and a bit depressing - but in this instance it makes me feel a bit sick

Ok. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this one as I honestly don't think there's a difference.

To be fair though, you and NickJ are constants on threads like these. I could have guaranteed that they'd be a comment from either one of you, or both ?. We know you don't like celeb gossip threads. Or Big Brother threads. I wish you'd just not reply on them because they always descend into this kind of conversation... the whole for/against celebrity debate.

And yes, I realise this is a free world, and a free board and we're all entitled to our opinion... and so is the OP. Might I suggest you just avoid these threads in future perhaps?

ps. none of the above is meant in a bitchy way or wanting to start an argument. I never get the tone of my posts right so just wanted to make that clear ?.

You know what Janey, I think that's exactly it. I really don't like it when there's a celeb based story, and all of a sudden you get the same old faces bashing on about how none of us care etc. If you don't like it, then just don't contribute to that thread. You don't have to understand it, you just accept it... as you do.

Some people do feel a connection with "celebrities" though don't they? Especially ones so much in the public eye as to appear in a however-many-times weekly soap opera. You may find it strange/abhorrent/whatever, but the personal connection with someone you've never met, are never likely to meet on an internet forum and who is basically, a complete stranger apart from certain parts of their life they choose to divulge to you, is, in my opinion, probably less "real" than feeling sympathy/sorrow for someone who's on the TV however many times a week and doesn't exactly shy away from publicity. Its a really sad story and its not one I would have heard about had I not seen it here. I don't read any newspapers either paper ones or online ones and my news feed is pretty much limited to the 6 o'clock or 10 o'clock news so I think for people to comment on it and express their sympathy on here is perfectly reasonable.

I don't understand what you mean by that?

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But is it to do with feeling a personal connection anyway? Or is it more of a 'car crash rubber necking' 'look at the terrible thing that has happened to a celeb' type voyeurism?

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I have to say I just dont think its fair to tell someone they can't post about something that isnt against the forum rules. There are always going to be things we dont like but it doesnt mean other people shouldnt be able to post/talk about it

This is different to the average vacuous celebrity gossip though. Very different. Besides, the thread title could be just about anything and it really is so tiresome to hear the old 'don't like it, don't read it' line trotted out for the millionth time.

And if you want the damned obvious pointing out as well, then you're the one who always pops up to point out that NickJ and I are part of some collective anti-celebrity conspiracy. Go figure.

I don't think anyone (myself included) told the OP they couldn't post it. I was questioning why they posted it.

I don't think you CAN tell someone they CAN'T post, but you can surely post that you don't think it's correct subject matter and open it up for debate. Otherwise you are saying that people who don't think it's fair game can't post such.

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