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Neighbour issue... WWYD? (very long)

Mrs Bloom, 28 November, 2008 at 19:29 Posted on Off Topic Posts 0 27

We live in an apartment building of 12 flats, 4 on each floor. We live on the 1st floor, so just have one neighbour below us, an elderly couple (I would guess they are in their late 70's, maybe 80's.) We've lived here around a year now. In probably July or August, we started to have problems with said neighbours.

The first incident I can recall, we were watching TV, and we heard a loud banging on our door, which is unusual in itself as visitors have to call the entryphone to get into the building. We both jumped up and went to the door, it was the lady from downstairs (with a can of air freshener in her hand, she had used it to bang on the door - it left a mark) and she immediately started shouting about 'all this banging around, it's out of order, I'm sick of it.' We were very apologetic, and assumed the TV was on too loud. She carried on ranting, saying it wasnt the TV, it must be the washing machine or something, we told her it wasn't on, but she carried on, not even listening to what we were saying. She was saying things like 'we've had no end of problems since you moved in here last Christmas' even though this was only the second time either of us had even spoken to her. She then started saying something about a 'smell' from our flat, saying it was making her and her husband ill, which we were confused about as we weren't aware of a smell. We eventually closed the door on her and she went away, but came back again later and banged on the door again and continued in a similar vein, so we just ignored her and she went away.

Around this time we had a visit from Environmental Health, so we assumed it was down to her. They assured us they could find no source of the smell, nor could they detect anything when they went into the couple's flat. We then had a call from our letting agent, again saying they had had a report about a smell, but when I explained that Environmental Health had been and found no problem, they were fine, but I did manage to find out it was the lady from downstairs who had made the complaint. Due to the continued problems, we contacted EH and asked them to investigate again, but they said there was nothing more they could do, there was no grounds for them to investigate as they hadn't found any smells when they checked their flat.

We've had several similar encounters since then, complaining about the 'smell,' saying she can hardly breathe, it's making them ill etc. She's completely irrational, and will not listen to anything we say. I work in a hair salon, and she seems to think the smell is due to me 'mixing chemicals' in my flat - I assume she means hairdressing chemicals. At one point the flat opposite us was unoccupied, it's owned by the same landlady as ours, and she and her family were staying there for a few weeks before they moved abroad. One of these encounters occured whilst they were there, so once she had gone away, they came accross to check if we were ok. We explained everything that had happened previously and they went to speak to her, bu found the same as us - she just wouldn't listen at all.

I work about a 10 minute walk from home, and she has found out where I work - probably just from walking past, and on a few occasions she's threatened to 'go and see my boss.' Christ knows how she knows my name though!?

Yesterday, as I was checking the letterbox in the hallway on our way out, I heard her coming out of her flat so turned to leave. OH was already outside taking the rubbish to the bins. She called my name but I just walked away, I didn't have time to be getting into anything with her. She followed me outside and shouted across to me 'I know what you're up to up there, look at my face, it's all burnt (it wasn't) I'll tell R (my OH) what you've done to me' At this pint he came out of the bin 'shed' and she shouted across to him again abou her eyes being burnt, we're poisoning her etc etc. We got in the car and drove off without saying anything.

Then about an hour ago she came and banged on our door with her umbrella, spouting her usual complaints about us and said if we came out of the flat she'd 'whack us with this' (the big umbrella), we didn't respond or answer the door. Then again, 20 mins later she banged on the door again, said something about us knowing we're guilty which is why we're not answering the door, and 'if all the people who live in the flats knew about the poison we were sending down to her and her husband they wouldn't live there' and that she's 'going to put a notice up on the board so they all know about it, and if we take it down she'll come up and kill us both'

So, what do I do? She's obviously a bit unhinged, and if anything I feel sorry for her - but we are completely innocent in all of this. There are no 'chemicals' or 'smells' coming from our flat, we've had no complaints from other neighbours about noise, we are considerate neighbours. But I can't carry on like this, never knowing when she's going to come banging on our door again, giving us a reputuation we don't deserve!

WWYD?

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Latest activity by Cookies, 29 November, 2008 at 15:49
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    timotei ·
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    What a nightmare.

    Does she have any family that visit, could you possibly speak to them - explain you're a bit worried about them?

    Or to be honest I would tempted to speak to the police, she shouldn't be able to threaten you, just because of her age. I know it sounds a bit OTT but it has been going on a long time.

    Another thing, are they likely to own the flat or is it council owned? If it's the council I would contact them and see if they can help.

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  • DaisyDaisy
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    I would invite her in for tea. Honestly, then she can see that you're nice and friendly and not into sending poison down to elderly neighbours. Charm offensive.

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    What a nightmare.

    Do you know whether the couple have any family whom they see? Could you speak to them? It may be that they have a son or daughter who will be aware that of their parents' problems and might be able to help.

    Other than that, I think I would be seeking legal advice. Your tenancy agreement will contain clauses on nuisance etc. Keep a diary of the incidents.

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    Gosh that's awful! I'd be tempted to speak to the police too, and keep a record of everything she says and does, times, dates etc and record her ranting too.

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    I'd go with that idea ordinarily, but this woman is accusing her of burning her eyes! God knows what she'd say had been put in her tea!

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    Keeping a diary of the incidents is a good idea. I wonder whether you could contact Social Services? The Older Peoples team may be aware of them, and to be honest, if they're not already aware and supporting them, it sounds like they should be.

    Do you know any of your other neighbours? It might not be just you that is having this kind of trouble from them.

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    Zoay ·
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    She sounds demented/paranoid. Is her husband any better? Can you talk to him? If not, it's the police, I guess.

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    Daisydaisy, usually I'd agree but TBH I think they sound mentally ill and that ordinary kindness might be taken in the same paranoid and deluded way and cause more problems.

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  • whirlwind666
    Beginner November 2009
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    Hi FML. I hope I can help even in a small way. I work in Environmental Health, in the pollution section and have dealt with this very difficult problem more than once. TBH, they can become difficult and it is hard to get a resolution. You need to protect yourself. Keep a diary of the incidents and how they make you feel. Get in touch with the Anti-Social Behaviour Officer and explain the situtaion to them. They may have had prior dealing with them and be able to advise. If she direcly threatens you contact the Police.

    I appreciate that due to the age of the couple it seems harsh, but they cannot be allowed to make you feel unsafe in your own home. I've dealt with odour problems that are similar, unfortuntely it is so hard to get this sorted, I wish I had better advice for you. They become fixated on the problem, and it becomes worse than it is in their heads. The ASB Officer can speak to them reasonably and hopefully get them to see a doctor to make sure they are as fit as they think they are. Often older people will not admit that they can't manage, or have a problem, but you need to make sure it's all documented from your side and the neccessary agencies are involved as soon as possible.

    Sorry I can't give you a solution xxx

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  • *Kitty*
    Beginner April 2008
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    Id say shes very likely mentally ill, shes obviously in fear that you are out to harm her BUT the way shes dealing with it is harrassment and to make threats like hitting you with the umbrella etc. Thats not right, it doesnt matter if shes only a little old lady.

    If it were me, id keep a diary of all these incidents, speak to other neighbours and also speak to your local police station, council and maybe even citizens advice.

    I personally wouldnt invite her in for tea but remain civil when in contact with this woman.

    I hope you can get it sorted out soon, she sounds like a nightmare!!

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  • Pickled Eggs
    Beginner August 2008
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    I would 'agree with contacting the Anti Social Behaviour Officer, we had a lady at work who was convinced that she could hear loud music, she had the police out numerous times along with the council who investigated time after time after time and found nothing wrong with the area.

    She had her ears checked to see if she had tinnitus (sp?) to see if thats where the noise seemed to be coming from but again that was clear. I think in the end the diagnosis was of a mental illness - the diagnosis/name escapes me at this moment but the story sounds similar to the one you have just described above but with smells etc.... The paranoia is a good giveaway of the signs of a possible mental illness too.

    If she does try to intimidate you again then you could call the police, they should be able to help.

    I hope you get a resolution soon ? X

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    Mrs Bloom ·
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    Hi everyone, thanks for taking the time to read and reply.

    She does own the flat so the council can't do anything, we very rarely see her husband and I've never heard him speak when we've passed in the hall etc. I don't know if they have family who visit as our flat is at the opposite side of the building to the entrance.

    We did invite her in to our flat when this all started, to see for herself that there were no smells/noises but she refused.

    I think I do need to speak to the other neighbours and see if they have the same problem.

    Thanks for all your advice - I think the next step from here is to contact WY Police as someone suggested, and see if they can advise us, I'll ask them about the ASB officer too.

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  • kierenthecommunity
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    kierenthecommunity ·
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    thats assuming you live in WY. if you're in surrey it may not be such a good idea ?

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    Lol, yes I am!

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    whereabouts?

    hey, you may get to speak to me when you phone ?

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    WSS - I wouldn't even pass time of day with the woman because she's clearly not of sound mind. ETA not because she's mental but because you are only likely to add to her paranoia and distress by making contact.

    I would be speaking to landolord again though, if only to keep them informed, and making a diary of her complaints and calling the police if she kept harrassing me or if she went to my work and so on.

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    Second the diary suggestion. If you are feeling charitable, a call to your local Adult Social Services helpdesk might be worth a punt. Is there a management company in charge of the flats? Would it be worth mentioning the issue (although if there was one, I imagine she would have complained to them!). You poor thing, home isn't meant to be stressful.

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    Stop bloody poisoning your neighbours then!

    Seriously, social services.

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    I was going to suggest some sort of Social Services dept. Not sure which one...who would you contact if you felt someone was mentally ill and perhaps a 'danger' to themselves or others? She definitely needs to see someone. Police may be an idea actually, but in my experience all they will do is log your complaint in case something happens (we had a balmy teenager next door once ?)

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  • Mogwai
    Beginner October 2009
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    She could have a mental health problem or even a physical health problem that causes her to smell things that aren't there.

    Any time she threatens you, you HAVE to tell the police. If she is indeed mentally unwell, this is the quickest way of getting services involved. If you don't report it and things get worse, you could actually be doing her a disservice by keeping quiet as well as be at risk yourself. If she's verbally threatening you now, things could well escalate to actual violence. I worked for 4 years in Psychiatry of Old Age and I can assure you that elderly people can be agressive too! Don't get cornered by her and don't be afraid to walk/run away if she starts shouting.

    I guarantee the police will have dealt with many similar cases in the past.

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    Thanks again for the advice everyone. I feel a lot better about it now. I think I half expected to get a load of replies telling me to stop picking on the old lady!

    I've started a 'diary' of events, and am currently composing an email to send to my local Adult Social Services. OH isn't keen on calling the police but we have come to a compromise that if she threatens either of us again then we will call then.

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    If you don't get a reply from social services within a week then give them a ring - I've discovered they reply to phone calls and voicemails a lot faster than email Smiley smile

    The diary is a really good idea, I think you might have to start a novel though with the amount of times she bothers you!

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    Beginner November 2009
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    Do you have a video camera or tape recorder? It might be helpful to record her if she starts banging on your door again although I'm not sure where you stand legally. Just to get an idea of the noise level that she's creating.

    She sounds bonkers to me. And a bit scary. I hope you get it sorted out soon. Sounds as though she needs help.

    Ali x

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    The diary is a good idea and consulting the police and social services is the way to go. Definately don't engage with her in any way, avoidance can be a pain but in the short term until you know what your options are.

    It is harrassment but with old folk it could be unintentional, dementia or something?

    www.nfh.org.uk could offer some useful advice too, lots of people suffering similar things on there!

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    My Grandad has vascular dementia, and a lot of the behaviour you've been subjected to is very similar to what he's been going through - particularly the paranoia, and also delusions. His problem was imagining people had been in his house, and that there were animals in his room (there weren't).

    You will be helping them if you can bring any potential health problems to the attention of people who can help. Hope it gets better for you soon xx

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