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The BFG
Beginner August 2010

OT - secondary education related (SEN)

The BFG, 15 January, 2010 at 19:18 Posted on Planning 0 20

Hi this may turn into a rambling rant but i will try my hardest not to!

Basicaly my middle son was diagnosed with ADHD at 4 1/2 and Asperger syndrome about a year later from then on everything has been a battle although he did recieve an SEN statement with an NPA for 20hrs a week TA support, well he 'muddled' through mainstream primary school but both myself and his teachers were concerned at his ability to cope within mainstream secondary education, so i requested in his review that he went to a local SEN school which has provisions for those on the autistic spectrum, but despite my the concerns we had our LEA deemed him too academicly able (achieving L2 in his sats) and said he had to go to our local mainstream secondary, i apealed and again highlighted our concerns but that was rejected, so i looked at a couple of other mainstream settings one with just over 600 pupils (his current one has around 1300) but they both said they wouldnt be able to meet his complex needs, so off to our local he went, most of the staff there have been fantastic and he initially seemed to get off to a good start, but cracks began to appear within the first two weeks where he started to wet himself daily (sometimes more than once) this is something he hasnt done since a toddler, his anxiety levels have shot through the roof which has a profound effect on his ability to function both at school and home, he says he doesnt feel safe at school during breaktimes so he now goes to the 'learning zone' this is where he also recieves his aditional support for core subjects, he has also been hurt by other pupils and just before christmas had to be sent home because someone had punched him in the head he is showing more and more signs of anxiety stress and inability to cope within a mainstream setting and just cannot keep up with the pace of work, his head of learning support agrees that they are 'just managing him' and have requested for his statement review to be brought forward, iam hoping this means we may be able to get him into a more suitable setting our ideal would be Farleigh College a school specificly for those with asperger syndrome but i know it will still mean a fight to get him there as if the LEA decide he should go elsewhere the usual place they send the children is an SEN school for those with behavioural difficulties which would only encourage his negetive behaviours which are a result of his social and communication difficulties not because he is NAUGHTY. There have also been incidences of children leaving the premesis of that school unattended (or 'escaping')

H2B and i are going to look round Farliegh college on 22nd Jan to gather more info in preparation for this 'battle' and we will be expected to build up a case as to why we feel it is the best place for him against any of the others.

The advice im looking for is to help with what will make the authorities stand up and listen and take notice, i know alot can be in the wording or phrases used.

The referrals manager at Farliegh college has already mentioned tribunals and i know like i said before we will probably have to fight for this as the LEA wont take it lying down, well im prepared to do that but just want to go the right way about it

sorry for the ramble but any help or advice would be much appreciated x x x

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Latest activity by MsJackson78, 19 January, 2010 at 19:55
  • teeheeyoucrazyguys!
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    Heck wish I could help. I trained as a secondary teacher initially and there were many pupils who perhaps should not have been in mainstream school but i'm a believer of a inclusion for all, so if the parent wanted them there then so be it.

    It really does sound as if your son needs more than the local secondary can offer, otherwise his years there may prove 'harmful' and very upsetting for you all. Regardless of his academic scoring, his social interaction is equally important and placing him elsewhere is perhaps best. Support staff would be able to focus more on that side of things, given hes very capable academically. There is however the risk that he gets 'bored' maybe, doing well at most things, espeically as he gets older?

    I hope you find a good solution for you all and hope your LA gives it some careful consideration. Sorry I cant help in the way of letter writing Smiley smile

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  • 3d jewellery
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    In my experience the only thing which makes them sit up and take notice is legal action. My son is autistic spectrum severe learning difficulties with no speech. At 8 years of age he really had no communication skills either. We repeatedly asked for speech therapy and were fobbed off. In the end we saw a solicitor specialising in educational tribunals and we took them to a tribunal. the tribunal were horrified, we got speech therapy, occupational therapy and 1 to 1 support. It cost us a lot of money, but at 16 he now communicates in his own way, despite no speech and is unrecognisable as that little boy. Because we have been to tribunal and it is now written in his statement he has to have it and if there are any issues he would now get legal aid to take them to court hiself. I would see a solicitor if I were you for advice. You can't get the time back and a tribunal took us at least a year.

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  • MsJackson78
    Beginner March 2010
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    Hi

    I work for an advisory service and often have to act as an advocate for young people with SEN. Have you looked on the website of your local education authority, there should be an impartial advisory service that you can discuss your concerns with if you disagree with decisions made for your son. I believe they will also support you at the review and if you have to contest the decisions made.

    There are many panels that sit which parents are often not aware of and if the school agree that your child needs greater support it would be worth getting the SENCO on side as she will be able to influence the recommendations and decisions made. I hope I'm not teaching you to suck egss with what I'm saying but each case will also have a case worked within the SEN department at the local education office. If you can build a good relationship with this person you would have a better chance getting what you want. Unfortunately these decisons often come down to available places within the school you want and money so you could have a battle on your hands.

    I hope this has helped and good luck, hope you get the school your son needs to go to.

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  • The BFG
    Beginner August 2010
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    Thanks so much for your feedback, i have taken it all on board and am sure it will come in useful, and i will definately look on the LA website i think i know the service you are talking about MsJackson and have been in touch with them before, so maybe it is time to speak with them again.

    Iam prepared to go down the legal route, my son was actualy awarded £3000 compensation about 3 years ago and has been put in a court trust fund until he is 18 but we can apply to the courts to withdraw money under special circustances for his needs so we are hoping we may be able to use this for him

    Thanks again your help really is appreciated x x

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    Are there any local support groups for parents of autistic children? You might meet other parents who have been through the same thing.

    The Teachernet website has lots of information on Autism and on how to appeal. Many of them are free to download and some you can order to be delivered to your house (post free too!!) The two below look good for you: (if the links don't work, just search for Teachernet publications and then put appeals in the search box)

    http://publications.teachernet.gov.uk/default.aspx?PageFunction=productdetails&PageMode=publications&ProductId=TRI022&

    This booklet is aimed at parents who wish to appeal against the decisions of LEAs about children’s special educational needs. It was produced by the Special Educational Needs and Disability Tribunal, which also considers parents’ claims of disability discrimination in schools.

    http://publications.teachernet.gov.uk/default.aspx?PageFunction=productdetails&PageMode=publications&ProductId=DfES ****&

    Schools Admission Appeals Code of Practice - Essential reading for anyone involved in the school admission appeals process. The Code deals with all aspects of the appeals process from establishing an appeal panel, preparation and production of evidence and witnesses to the nature of the hearing itself. Guidance is given on infant class size appeals and appeals for selective schools and 6th forms.

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  • The BFG
    Beginner August 2010
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    Hi jj yes there is a local branch of the NAS who im just starting to get involved with, the secretary of the branch is a friend of mine and her son has been placed in the SEN school that i think the LA may try to place my son in should they agree he needs additional provisions so she is happy to help me build a case as to why it would be unsuitable for Lucas.

    I have downloaded both of the publications you left the links for, im planning to print them out as its quite difficult to read them on my laptop and it would be nice to refer back to them at leisure, as im sure i will have to do many times!!!

    Lucas is due to see his clinical pshyc on wednesday so will will be asking her to write a specific report for this purpose, im just trying to gather as much evidence as possible so as to lessen the likelyhood of having to go to appeal or tribunal, although having said that i do worry that its innevitable.

    Thanks again all x

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  • bridgetvictoria
    Beginner April 2010
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    I would also speak to the college and see if they have anyone who can help. I work at a school for children with ASD and our head office help the parents out with their appeals etc.

    Let us know how you get on x

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  • The BFG
    Beginner August 2010
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    Thats great yes i will speak to them a bit more in depth when we meet on friday, I have also bitten the bullet and just finished e-mailing a specialist solicitor in educational law for some advice, and i will certainatly let you know hwat happens over the next week or so but i know this will be a very long drawn out process, its poo really because as a parent of a mainstream child you have the right to choose which school your child goes to and most of the time people do get their first choice but with SEN that all seems to go the wayside and you have to fight, push, scream and stamp your feet to get what the child needs Smiley sad

    I do have another son (13) with the same diagnosis but there is a huge difference in them and he can clearly cope in a mainstream environment, my youngest (6) also has ADHD but i would say he is the most able and sociable of the 3 and dont feel he will have much of a problem - other than seeming to have been drip fed copius amounts of 'E numbers' or caffine!!!! x

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    Wow you have your hands full! I work with autistic and ADHD children, so I know what a hard job you have?. I'm glad those documents were useful, did you look on the site to see if there was anything else of use? I know there's lots on Autism, although you probably know most of it already! If you register, some of the documents can be ordered free and they will post them to you, so you don't have to bother downloading and printing.

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  • The BFG
    Beginner August 2010
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    I do certainatly have my hands full and go to work for a break!! lol

    I will be going back on the site and will register as im sure it will become my bible! ? x

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  • 3d jewellery
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    me too Smiley smile

    we found it was worth paying for some private speech therapy and occupational therapy and their reports and support were fabulous at tribunal

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    I just had a quick look at Farleigh College, it looks lovely, I can see why you want him to go there!

    A school for children with behavioural problems will not be right for him, as being autistic he will copy their behaviour. He is obviously very disturbed at school to be wetting so often. Just fight it all the way. I had to go to a tribunal with one of mine and it is nerve wracking, but so worth it for the sake of your son. It could easily go your way and if it doesn't at least you know you've tried all you can. Good luck ?

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  • The BFG
    Beginner August 2010
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    It does look amazing, i really cant wait to visit next week but am trying sooooo hard not to get my hopes up!

    Iam prepared to do whatever it takes to give him the best possible chance and if that means having to get a private report or go down the legal route then bring it on! x

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    Just on the wetting issue, have you tried putting him in the Huggies night time pull ups as a short term measure so at least he doesn't have to suffer embarrassment too. We used them for many years and now we use them with incontinence pads as extra support to the pad. They will give him enough time to get to the loo.

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  • The BFG
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    Hmmmm thanks i never even gave that a thought!! x

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  • bridgetvictoria
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    A lot of our kids at work wear them and you'd never even know.

    And as an emotionally detatched person, the wetting might work to your advantage as its an obvious sign of the stress your sons under and as we've found, local authorities need it to be obvious!! the subtleties of these conditions seem to pass them by- bodily fluids seem to make them take notice a bit more...

    Hope you don't mind me saying x

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  • The BFG
    Beginner August 2010
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    Well i have just recieved an e-mail from Emma Turner, the educational law solicitor saying that this IS something she can help with, she will be calling me in the next couple of days ?

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    The ball is rolling, i have heard back from Emma Turner (the educational law solicitor) and she is quite confident we can build a strong case as to why Farleigh College would be the best place for Lucas, i now have to gather all his statment information and reports from professionals involved, to forward to her she will then begin preparing evidence to put to the LA.

    I have also sent an e-mail to the court funds office to see if they will release his money early to help fund this as at £190 an hour and £25 per phone call its not going to be cheap!! and quite frankly (if you have read my crisis post about my dress you will understand why) we dont have that money to hand, but Lucas' education is important so we will do it one way or another!

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    That's great news. Fingers crossed for the right result

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    I think we paid about 2k but we did have to go tribunal so we had to pay for the solicitor to go to Leeds for half a day. BTW tribunals are very formal but the people are very nice and helpful.

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  • MsJackson78
    Beginner March 2010
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    Pleased to hear that you are getting the support you require to get the outcome you want for your son. Lets hope it doesnt become too costly but it will be worth it none the less I work with young people who have been severly let down by the education system and unfortunately havent had parents like you too fight for them.

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