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The Power of a Name

Lillythepink, 17 December, 2008 at 11:07 Posted on Off Topic Posts 0 23

Http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2008/12/holland_township_family_angry.html

Are we ever going to get to a point where this name is acceptable to us? I'm guessing that it depends massively on your culture - I, for example, would not consider the name Atilla to be suitable either for the connotation, but I understand it's very popular in other countries.

What do you think? Should the shop have refused? After all, this child is not THE Adolph, he's just a 3 yr old named by nitwits.

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Latest activity by Clairy, 17 December, 2008 at 12:02
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    The 12 DaisyDaisies of christmas ·
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    I ..er actually I don't know how I feel about this one. It seems unfortunate to me that these people bred actually, passing on the hate etc. And I can see why the cake shop may have refused to ice 'Adolf Hitler' on there. But discriminatory? It's a cake. Just a cake - almost feels like a control issue with the parents as they have refused a blank cake to ice the name on themselves.

    As an aside - love the comment underneath ' Is that a mullet? Wow, in 2008 that's child abuse alone!' (paraphrased maybe)

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    I think giving the child "Hitler" as a middle name is very odd, though. As is wanting both names on the cake.

    The parents are nitwits - probably racist, bigoted ones as well. I'm no doubt prejudiced because of what they've named their kids. I hope that if they grow up to be sensible, they change their names...

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    The shop can do what they like, but it does seem a little scrooge-like.

    But those poor, poor children, having to grow up with names like that! and people who would give them names like that as parents.

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  • SophieM
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    Also loved the comments. I don't think it's any of the shop's business though - it's not like by icing a name on to a cake they're party to racism imo. But I agree that it sounds like a media / attention-seeking stunt by the parents - I imagine "Happy third birthday Adolf" would have got past the shop without so much of a problem.

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    Pint&APie ·
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    I'd use a slightly stronger word than nitwits.

    As a business, the shop are within their rights to determine what is or isn't acceptable to write on a cake.

    I'm happy that they decided not to condone the parents choices of names or clearly bigoted lifestyle. They are perfectly at liberty to make their own cake and write whatever they like on it.

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  • Lillythepink
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    Lillythepink ·
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    On further reading, it seems the father is a Holocaust denier - so clearly his taste in names is just further indication of his fuckwittery.

    Poor Adolf probably already has taken on a lot of his parents' viewpoint. Do Nazis not also deserve cake though?? ?

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    I wouldn't say this was an example of prejudice - their choice of names seems a pretty clear indicator to me.

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  • Clairy
    Beginner October 2003
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    Jesus, that's horrific. I think the shop were right and, as P&AP says, the parents could have made their own cake.

    How utterly appalling to use your children to make a political statement, regardless of the acceptability of those views.

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  • SophieM
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    The dad isn't exactly a good advertisement for the Aryan Nation himself, is he? He looks distinctly inbred ?

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  • barongreenback
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    Atilla not so bad, Hitler was pushing it a bit ?

    Is it wrong that I think Lucifer is a great name? ?

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    Adolf Hitler Campbell? Good grief, I'm quite shocked by that. No idea what US laws are on naming children but I think there's a good case for saying you shouldn't be able to call a child that. I think it's completely different from just Adolf Campbell.

    As for the cake thing- entirely up to the shop, it's their call. I can well understand the shop people feeling uncomfortable with it, for all that it's the child's name. To me that's just another reason to stop people calling their children deliberately provocative and offensive names.

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  • SophieM
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    Do you really think? Would you feel the same about a child named Nelson, or Liberty? Or the huge popularity of Victoria? Or the spate of babies there will doubtless now be called Barack?

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    decibelle ·
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    What hideous names for those poor children. I can see the shop's point - if it was me asked to ice it, I think I'd have refused. Or just written 'Happy Birthday'.

    That story reminds me of the twin sisters in America, Lynx and Lamb and their 'pop group' Prussian Blue

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Blue_(American_duo)

    The mind really does boggle at the number of children being brought up to believe such hatred.

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  • princess layabout
    Beginner October 2007
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    My favourite comment on the article:

    is that a mullet? in 2008? wow! that alone is almost child abuse

    It does sound as if the parents are going to make a big hoo haa about using their children's full names at every opportunity, then getting uppity of there are objections. Sophie, I think there's a difference between calling your child Liberty or Victoria and picking a name which is deliberately inflammatory like "Aryan Nation" or "Adolph Hitler"

    I so hope those children grow up to be human rights lawyers (with changed names)

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    If it was "Happy birthday Adolf" I don't think it would have raised many eyebrows.

    But the parents have deliberately named their child as a political statement that they know is offensive to the vast majority of people - and I think that's the crucial difference between naming a child Adolf Hitler and naming a baby Barack or Victoria, who are not actually primarily associated with war and genoicide.

    (I appreciate Victorian colonisation may have come close but that's not the primary statement most people would think about Queen Victoria).

    The shop are entitled to refuse custom and I can't blame them.

    I'd also say that it's a very standard article designed to inflame hate about these nasty politically corrrect people who let their nasty morals and opinions get in the way of a child's birthday when the reality is the parents have deliberately set up the scene to gain publicity and don't give a flying fig about their child's feelings.

    Don't forget that Holland is a country with a long painful memories about Adolf Hitler and the Nazi dream, we're looking on this as residents of a country that wasn't invaded by Hitler. For all we know, the shop staff could be Jewish or from other backgrounds that lost relatives in the holocaust. Knowing the way Nazi sympathisers work, I'd be surprised if the whole thing wasn't engineered around that.

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    Fick person asking - Is this South Africa or Holland?

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  • SophieM
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    It's America, Zeb.

    I don't agree that the article is stirring up anti-PC-ness at all. I think the parents probably new full well that this would happen, and went to the press to garner publicity for their "cause".

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    Actually, I'm not sure, I can't find anythign one way or the other. Doh! So ignore my rant then!

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  • Lillythepink
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    The shop is absolutely entitled to refuse custom, I agree.

    The parents are making a political statement in naming their children thus.

    BUT - it's only a name on a cake. A child's birthday cake. It's not like they were asked to write I hate N*ggrs on it,

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  • princess layabout
    Beginner October 2007
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    I'm thinking that any birthday cake with "Happy birthday Adolph Hitler" iced on it (preferably a bit wobbly) will just end up looking like a prop from Phoenix Nights ? [sings] send the buggers back! [/sings]

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  • Clairy
    Beginner October 2003
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    Hmm, but if a child's name was "I hate N*ggers" then surely the same rules apply?

    It's offensive, and it was designed to be offensive. It's a cheap trick, at the expense of a child's dignity, to promote an extreme and offensive view.

    Soph - I need to think about your response because my brain is being slow today ? However I dreamed I can a son called Barack, which is a bit weird, huh ? Not least because 'Barack Boynton' hardly trips off the tongue ?

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    Sorry to be inappropriate, but i found that sentence funny!

    And in response to the main topic, calling a child Adolf, fine.

    Calling him Adolf Hitler... People will be judging this child for years to come just because his parents named him after a historic hate figure!

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    Ah, but it would be Black President Barack Obama I Have A Dream Boynton, which is heaps better ?

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    ?

    Which is very funny, except he'd be either white, or not a Boynton ?

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