True black eye make up recommendations please?

What you need is MAC's Sharkskin shadestick. It' s a black crayon that you put all over your lid (or wherever!) and then you put the shadow on top. It makes the colour more solid, or if you're putting a dark shimmer colour over the crayon, it makes it much more intense.

MAC and Barry M have good black eyeshadows as well.

Sorry, just saw you asked about eyeliner as well - do you mean liquid or pencil? If liquid, L'Oreal do a new black eyeliner that's blacker than their previous black one

https://www.loreal-paris.co.uk/cosmetics/eyes/super-liner/black-crystal.aspx

For pencil, I love Benefit's Bad Gal although it's quite a chunky pencil so you can't really get a precision line with it.

Thanks Flump, I think I'll have a splurge in Boots tomorrow!

I forgot about liquid eyeliner, I normally steer clear of it because sometimes I get reactions to things and liquid eyeliner is one of the things that I normally have a bad reaction to. I once put some on and it started to feel as if it was burning so I tried to take it off and it all ran in to my eyes - I thought I was going to go blind! I was very scared but luckily it all washed out, I just had very red eyes for a day.

Oh dear that's bad! don't try that again then ? def get the MAC Sharkskin jobby, it's magic! x

I have a black Chanel eyeshadow that stays on pretty well. As Flump said I use Sharkskin to start and then put the eyeshadow on. In fact I now always use a cream shadow first and then apply powder as it seems to stay put for longer.

One thing I found with the Mac shadestick is they can go quite hard and can take a bit of warming up otherwise you'll make your lid red and sore.

Oh and I also use the Mac liner in a pot and apply with a very fine brush. I much prefer this over pencils or more traditional liners.

I've used Bourjois' Liquid eyeliner in black for years. Even when i went through my goth/punk black dark eyemakeup look in my teens. I like it because it never snudges on me and the line never fades. Stays glossy black until i take it off.

Urban Decay's 24/7 eyepencil in black is also great. It's bold and lasts on the skin well.

I like the superdrug 'own brand' black, iy's in an oval case usually on a rotating stand IYSWIM and its three items for a fiver. Combine it with Boots 17 liquid eyeliner and it looks great, other eyeshadow colours in the same range also look fab on btw.

Thanks for all your rec's everyone, I look forward to looking gothier!