urgent help please

I would probably call his GP and ask to speak to someone immediately. They should be able to help. If he has put himself in immediate danger some way then I guess you would need the emergency services.

Can you ring his doctor?

Is anyone with him?If not can there be someone who can be?

Hopeing he gets the help ha needs

?

I would also try the Samaritans...

Good luck - what a horrible time for you all ?

Ring your GP Surgery instantly, they will contact your local Mental Health Officer on duty and they will help you.

If you think he is in immediate danger then call the police. I appreciate this may make him even more stressed but like you say you can#%92t just leave him ?

I'm not sure what his GP could do? Is there anyone with him?

If you have a few moments, look up your yellow pages or local council website for your local community mental health team. Phone them and ask to urgently speak to the duty worker, they can help too.

I work within our local CMHT. Hope this helps. ?

Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

My mum is with him but she cant stay - she needs to get back to his kids who are currently with my 84 year old nan. he is drunk and aggressive and says he is going to throw himself in the canal next to his house because he is sick of people nagging him about drinking.

we have been going round in circles with him for 2 years now but this is the first time he has said he is going to kill himself.

thanks for all the advice - she is going to phone the hospital now and see if someone will come out and hopefully take him somewhere

They will probably send out the Mental Health Officer on duty to assess the situation. Hope everythings okay.

A friend of mine took his life a couple of months ago and on an internet search I found this...

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/


maybe print it out and read it to him? It may seem silly but maybe it can help?

good luck ?

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

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I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.


Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

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This, by all means, would be anything but helpful.

quote:Originally posted by NickJ

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

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I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

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That was my initial reaction, but then I thought maybe the "for the best" bit might mean if he has seriously reached that stage then he can get professional help, and that's for the best.
Or maybe it was meant the way it read.

quote:Originally posted by NickJ

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

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I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

id="quote">

I 'think' ONE meant that if he was serious about his threat that being sectioned may well be the best for him

quote:Originally posted by NickJ

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

id="quote">

I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

id="quote">

What NickJ said.

What kind of ignorant cretin are you ONE?☹️!]

Puddled, I hope the hospital can help, it sounds like it's beyond family help just now.?

quote:Originally posted by NickJ

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

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I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

id="quote">

I think he means being sectioned but could be wrong

If he's at a position where he's seriously considering hurting himself, then being sectioned is probably for the best.

As for the mental proces involved in the 'afterlife' argument. It got me of the steps of the docks.?

The point bing that many people thing that by ending their life they are (re)taking an element of control. They're not.

Unfortunately, have been in your situation before too.

I rang the local CMHT who gave me details of an emergency drop in at a local hospital's Mental Health service. I managed to get her to go there with me willingly and from there she was sectioned and treated.

On another occasion, where I felt the risk of harm was imminent (i.e. she was trying to run into the middle of a main road and we had to physically restrain her) we dialled 999. The police attended immediately and helped us restrain her until an ambulance arrived and she was taken to a secure unit.

If you really cannot reason with him and you think he is really going to do it, don't be afraid to call 999.

I really feel for you, it's so horrible. ?

quote:Originally posted by Pink Han-bag

quote:Originally posted by NickJ

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

id="quote">

I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

id="quote">

I 'think' ONE meant that if he was serious about his threat that being sectioned may well be the best for him

id="quote">

I read it that way too.

Hi,

my mum is trying to get him to go stay with her for a while. dont think he will do but i am giving her half an hour with him before i call someone to try and sort him out. the problem is that he doesnt want help - therefore he wont call anywhere or look on the internet


sorry about the terrible shortage of capitals etc


thanks for all being so helpful. i really do appreciate it.

its a hard situation - i obviously dont want him to come to any harm, i hate him being miserable all the time, but i am furious because of what he is doing to all the family all the time

Contact his GP, if he is thought to be a danger to himself he can be sectioned under the mental health act.

Puddled, which area are you in?

Puddled, you have every right to feel angry. It is SO frustrating watching someone on self destruct, and infuriating to see the rest of the family suffer because of it.

There is little you can do if he won't seek help himself. However, if he really is serious about suicide then he can be sectioned to protect him from himself.

Puddled sorry to hear ths is happening. Is he having any kind of treatment at all? I recall you were asking for help a while back as you were worried for the kids.

Puddled hope you are ok.

I've also been in a similar situation as I have a brother who is bi-polar and another relative who is a paranoid schizophrenic.

I'd second the advice to call the local community mental health team or the police if appropriate.

If your brother is a serious risk to himself then it may not be a bad thing if he ends up getting sectioned, altho' that can have it's own issues, as it will give everyone breathing space and some help for your brother.

I really hope it all resolves happily for you.

Lowkey

Puddled

Can i just add that to section your brother would be a last resort. The Mental Health Officer on duty, would, accompanied by colleagues, assess the situation and talk to your brother to distinguish his needs and fears.

As i said above, locate the number of your Community Mental Health Team and keep it to hand. They will be able to offer the best advice available, as they deal with these cases every day.

x

quote:Originally posted by Pink Han-bag

quote:Originally posted by NickJ

quote:Originally posted by Old Nick Esq.
Is somebody with him?

Is the threat serious or is it a cry for help?

My advice would be to spend some time talking to try and ascertain whether he genuinely has a serious notion of harming himself, the risk being, if he is just feeling low and having a drama day... (does happen) he could end up sectioned if professionals become involved.

That said, if he is serious, it may very well be for the best.

Me.... If anyone ever talks to me about it I tend to ask them if they're positive there isn't a soul/spirit/any form of afterlife (remarkably few people will swear to it). And then point out that if there is.... It might very well be worse than where you are now...

YMMV

id="quote">

I think thats probably the most misguided and stupid advice i ve ever read on this website.

as for "it may very well be for the best". well, words fail me.

id="quote">

I 'think' ONE meant that if he was serious about his threat that being sectioned may well be the best for him

id="quote">

yes, I agree with P H-B. I tihnk he was talking about the "being sectioned" being the best solution, if he is being serious, rather than just having a "drama day"

Sorry everyone, not being ignorant - I had to nip out.

My mum called me crying saying she was leaving him there as she couldnt cope anymore as he was refusing to go and stay with her.

I phone for an ambulance to deal with him and went down to the house. He pretended everything was fine which made me so mad as 20 minutes earlier he was going to kill himself. He told them he goes to AA meetings and sees a counsellor too - none of this is true.

They wanted him to go to hospital but he said he would stay with mum - whether he will or not I dont know.

They were lovely and went to the doctors to get him an appointment for today and told him to go with us if he would not go to hospital. I have just dropped him and my mum off at her house. Dont know what he will do - whether he will go to the appointment when the time comes or not but I hope so, he is practically killing my mum

Thanks everyone xx

Puddled I've just PM'd you as this situation is all to familiar for me but it's not something I want to go into on here.

Nothing has come as yet but I will keep checking

x

If he is seriously feeling suicidal his GP might be able to refer him to the Crisis Resolution team - that way he's have access to somebody 24 hrs per day and would get regular frequent visits, plus if it really got to crisis point again they could arrange to have him admitted if necessary promptly.