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Treacle tart, 1 April, 2008 at 20:35

I went to see a psychic a few years ago and then just before I got wed.
I was quite sceptical and didnt know what to expect.
It was all very weird. The first time was all about my mother - she passed away 11 years ago now from breast cancer. She told me that she no longer has to wear her wig as she has lovely hair now 'up there'.
She also told me several other things that she couldnt possibly have known.
When i went just before the wedding, what she told me was astounding. She told me that Mr Tarts dad Colin (she named him) will be there (she knew I was getting wed and what month) watching us and will be so proud. She said that he would like Mr T to wear 2 roses in his buttonhole, one for him too and that he will try his best to help him with his crevat as he knows he will be useless at it.
She said that as my nan had also passed (we never got on), she would like to say sorry for certain views that she had expressed when she was alive - spot on, but would rather not say what went on. My nan and mum were apparantly 'thrashing out' their diferences up there too over buckets of tea as they both drunk gallons when down here.
She said that my sister in America was fine but a little 'snowed under'. My sister was in Boston at the time on holiday with heavy snow and couldnt get a flight back home.
She also knew that my mum had 10 children and I myself had lost a baby when I was 18. She went as far as to say that my mum had my little boy with her.
She said that my mum was beside me brushing my hair - something she loved to do even up until I was 20.
All of a sudden she asked me if I heard that. When I said what, she said that my mum just called me. I just laughed and forgot about it but when I replayed the tape a few months later - as clear as a bell, my mums voice called my nickname. Now, when I play the tape it's gone. I was doing the washing up at the time and just froze with shock.
I can't remember other things but I couldnt believe how accurate this woman was.
I have an appointment with her at the end of April and am actually looking forward to it.
I'm no fool and do not live my life by what this woman has said in the past and she certainly didnt pick on the fact that I was grieving and heard what I wanted to as mum had died years before and I was by no means upset iyswim. I wasnt a member of any facebook or sharing group at the time so ruled out that she had googled me!
I just wondered whether anyone believes in the afterlife and spirit world.
Do you have any stories to tell?

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ginntonic · 2 April, 2008 at 13:50
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I have nothing rational to add, as it has all been said already and trying to educate the brainless is an exercise in futility. However can someone please change the title of this thread, I'm fed up of the Cher earworm I get everytime I look at hitched.
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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 13:52
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quote:Originally posted by FussAss
quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey
I see nothing wrong in anybody not believing but laughing at people who believe and/or see spirits isn't a nice thing to do.
I mean we can all say we don't believe in (example) God but it's disrespectful to the believer to suggest they're barking mad.

And i agree there are alot of charlatans about, but not everyone is.
My Mother doesn't use her gift as a business. She doesn't ever advertise. People contact her out of recommendation. She only asks for a donation so people don't take her for granted. She doesn't care the amount people choose to give.
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well said
disrespectful to suggest the person is wrong to believe also.
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disrespectful to laugh at the criminally naive? i dont think so. as sophie said, "a panacea for the thick and desperate" and also the same as sophie, not a single person i know who has any level of intelligence believes in this. not one. in my experience it tends to be the thickies.
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hitched addict · 2 April, 2008 at 13:54
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I do not have an opinion either way on whether the dead can contact us, but I am at a loss to explain the following. My stepdaughter was working as a waitress in a hotel and noticed a woman at a table she was not serving who kept staring at her. She didn't know the woman and was 250 miles away from home (she had only been in the job a couple of weeks).Finally the woman caught her arm as she walked past and said she had to tell her she was getting messages from her Grandad (she knew his name too). He said the brakes were faulty on the lorry that crashed and killed him.
A few weeks later, her nan (300 miles away)was approached by someone on a bus and told the same message from her Husband. The official enquiry had concluded that the brakes were fine.

Surely that isn't 'cold reading'? The 'psychics' didn't make any money at all from passing on the messages either
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 13:57
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NickJ when will you give up trying to test your own level of intelligence by belittling others?
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LouM · 2 April, 2008 at 13:58
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quote:Originally posted by NickJ
quote:Originally posted by Kookachu

I guess it 'helps' some people that are grieving, etc etc as they want answers and will believe anything that they hear. If that gives them some kind of comfort, then leave them to it, I say.
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well you could say that. but i think its incredibly dangerous, and terribly tragic in that situation.

woman in her mid twenties goes to one of these things. she s clutching a pink teddy bear. its not a wild assumption to make that she s lost a (female) child. what gets me about it, is that the "psychic" will pick that up right away, and then "wow" the person by saying "i can see a little girl, shes happy..." etc.

this to me is wrong, criminal in fact.
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I agree with nick. Instead of allowing people to come to terms with loss, it gives them false (imo entirely fabricated) evidence of some kind of pseudo-afterlife which has a direct line of communication into this life. Indeed, grief counsellors positively encourage against the use of psychics and mediums whilst a person is dealing with the loss of a loved one. To me, it shows a flagrant manipulation of the most suggestible people in society at one of the most vulnerable times in their life.
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swissian · 2 April, 2008 at 13:58
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This book makes an interesting read for sceptics....
(if you can get past the dodgy cover art..)

http://www.amazon.com/airmen-who-would-not-die/dp/0399122648
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Pint&APie · 2 April, 2008 at 13:59
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quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey

id="quote">Yes. She supports the local Cats Protection.
Why so amusing?

Because your original statement suggested that the "donation" went to her.

If, as you now say, all the money goes to CPL then fair enough, I retract my amusement and applaud her charity.
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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 14:01
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quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey
NickJ when will you give up trying to test your own level of intelligence by belittling others?

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i dont think its belittling to state what numerous others have also said. in my opinion, its total bollocks. plus, it IS my experience that more dimwitted people believe in it. if you feel belittled by that, its your problem, not mine. and my intelligence needs no testing, i know i m intelligent.
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SophieM · 2 April, 2008 at 14:02
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quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey
NickJ when will you give up trying to test your own level of intelligence by belittling others?

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You always react this way when other people point out the lack of clarity in your thinking. Nick was referring to a remark I made, and I can assure you I'm not trying tyo test the level of my intelligence; I'm just pointing out my observations of other people's. The two things are quite different.
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:02
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quote:Originally posted by Pint&APie
quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey

id="quote">Yes. She supports the local Cats Protection.
Why so amusing?
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Because your original statement suggested that the "donation" went to her.

If, as you now say, all the money goes to CPL then fair enough, I retract my amusement and applaud her charity.
Yes all of the money. And thank you.
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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 14:07
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Youre style of posting WM, and your quick-to-get-the-hump attitude is pretty much idential to Love-A-Lot. and since L.A.L doesnt seem to have posted for some time, I can only assume youre one and the same.

apologies if not, she was a bit of a twat from what i recall.
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SophieM · 2 April, 2008 at 14:08
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quote:Originally posted by NickJ
youre style of posting WM, and your quick-to-get-the-hump attitude is pretty much idential to Love-A-Lot. and since L.A.L doesnt seem to have posted for some time, I can only assume youre one and the same.

apologies if not, she was a bit of a twat from what i recall.
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She is Love-A-Lot.

So how's about this: we donate £10 to the CPL, and your nan gives Nick a reading, which he then reports back on to Hitched?
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FussAss · 2 April, 2008 at 14:08
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quote:Originally posted by NickJ
quote:Originally posted by FussAss
quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey
I see nothing wrong in anybody not believing but laughing at people who believe and/or see spirits isn't a nice thing to do.
I mean we can all say we don't believe in (example) God but it's disrespectful to the believer to suggest they're barking mad.

And i agree there are alot of charlatans about, but not everyone is.
My Mother doesn't use her gift as a business. She doesn't ever advertise. People contact her out of recommendation. She only asks for a donation so people don't take her for granted. She doesn't care the amount people choose to give.
id="quote">

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well said
disrespectful to suggest the person is wrong to believe also.
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disrespectful to laugh at the criminally naive? i dont think so. as sophie said, "a panacea for the thick and desperate" and also the same as sophie, not a single person i know who has any level of intelligence believes in this. not one. in my experience it tends to be the thickies.
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Why are you letting it get to you so much?
Your opinion has been heard (numerous times) Some agree and others don't.
Why be so mean?
Your alta Ego "Spirit Guide" may help you become a friendlier person - you never know. ?
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:08
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quote:Originally posted by NickJ
quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey
NickJ when will you give up trying to test your own level of intelligence by belittling others?

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i dont think its belittling to state what numerous others have also said. in my opinion, its total bollocks. plus, it IS my experience that more dimwitted people believe in it. if you feel belittled by that, its your problem, not mine. and my intelligence needs no testing, i know i m intelligent.
id="quote">I do think it's belitting yes. If others have said it, then they are to blame also.
If you've had a bad experience fair enough, but you can't test that experience and suggest it's all rubbish because of that one experience. For the record i'm as angy as you concerning people who are Charaltans praying on the weak for money.
yes i feel belittled by someone suggesting that if someone says i believe in something i'm thick. That statement in itself is 'thick'.
I know i'm not the brains of Britain, neither are you. There's no need to keep testing your manhood by being arrogant about your intelligence.
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:10
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quote:Originally posted by SophieM
quote:Originally posted by NickJ
youre style of posting WM, and your quick-to-get-the-hump attitude is pretty much idential to Love-A-Lot. and since L.A.L doesnt seem to have posted for some time, I can only assume youre one and the same.

apologies if not, she was a bit of a twat from what i recall.
id="quote">

She is Love-A-Lot.

So how's about this: we donate £10 to the CPL, and your nan gives Nick a reading, which he then reports back on to Hitched?
id="quote">I'd love for my 'MUM' to give NickJ a reading. I doubt she'll allow such a 'twat' in her house.
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Lillythepink · 2 April, 2008 at 14:13
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quote:Originally posted by NickJ
youre style of posting WM, and your quick-to-get-the-hump attitude is pretty much idential to Love-A-Lot. and since L.A.L doesnt seem to have posted for some time, I can only assume youre one and the same.

apologies if not, she was a bit of a twat from what i recall.
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They are. And sadly unless you wish to travel to the US with me, we will have to skip the John Edward gig - although you can shout at the TV if you have LIVING channel - he's on most afternoons.
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ginntonic · 2 April, 2008 at 14:17
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quote:Originally posted by SophieM

She is Love-A-Lot.

id="quote">fuck me, is that cockmuncher back? all we need now is the other numpties to follow [V]
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SophieM · 2 April, 2008 at 14:18
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Love-a-Lot, why is it not okay for Nick to point out facts about his experience of others' intelligence, yet okay for you to call him a twat? You haven;'t changed one iota ?
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SophieM · 2 April, 2008 at 14:20
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quote:Originally posted by ginntonic
quote:Originally posted by SophieM

She is Love-A-Lot.

id="quote">fuck me, is that cockmuncher back? all we need now is the other numpties to follow [V]
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She never left, G&T. She's just been on <cough> "the other side" ------> <cough>
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:21
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quote:Originally posted by SophieM
Love-a-Lot, why is it not okay for Nick to point out facts about his experience of others' intelligence, yet okay for you to call him a twat? You haven;'t changed one iota ?
id="quote">When did i say it wasn't okay for him to discribe his experience? Without belitting peoples beliefs?
Sorry i thought it was okay to call him a Twat as he felt the discription adequate for me.
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Foo · 2 April, 2008 at 14:22
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Um, I think Nick called her a twat first? So perhaps it was retaliation in kind.

I don't know it always has to end up like this, name-calling is really very tiresome.
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ginntonic · 2 April, 2008 at 14:23
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She never left, G&T. She's just been on <cough> "the other side" ------> <cough>
id="quote">ooo, I'm surprised actually as I hadn't seen any volatile arguments about FF vs BF. I assume that's the "Other side" of which you speak.id="size1">
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:24
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quote:Originally posted by Foo
Um, I think Nick called her a twat first? So perhaps it was retaliation in kind.

I don't know it always has to end up like this, name-calling is really very tiresome.
id="quote">May i be the first to apologize then. Sorry, it it very immature to call people names.
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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 14:25
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quote:Originally posted by SophieM

So how's about this: we donate £10 to the CPL, and your nan gives Nick a reading, which he then reports back on to Hitched?
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SophieM, fabulous idea! ?

I think we should have a Hitched group outing to a medium one day. See if we all get the same reading from them?! ?
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SophieM · 2 April, 2008 at 14:27
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Where did Nick call LAL a twat?

G - yes, that's one of the "other side"s. ?

What do you care about BF v FF anyway? ?
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HeidiHole · 2 April, 2008 at 14:27
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I'm unsure why people can't take offense at being called dim, thickies, niave, stupid, etc. I bloody would. If people want to believe let them, it doesn't necessarily make them any of the above things.
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:32
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quote:Originally posted by SophieM
Where did Nick call LAL a twat?

id="quote">Go back and read. I can't be bothered to go to the trouble of quoting for you.
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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 14:32
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I tell you what WM, i ll send a donation of 1000 pounds to the cats protection place of your mums choice if she gives me an unseen reading which is in any way, shred or possibility, accurate. and if it is, i will admit same immediately, and send cheque same day, then i will scan and email you the confirmation that they have received it. how s that?
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ginntonic · 2 April, 2008 at 14:32
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What do you care about BF v FF anyway? ?
id="quote">I am interested as a scientist, obviously*, but LAL always got very irrate on those threads and that's when the mud slinging started, as I hadn't seen one of those threads recently I thought she wasn't around.

* yes I am very aware that I need to get out more ?
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 14:34
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quote:Originally posted by NickJ
i tell you what WM, i ll send a donation of 1000 pounds to the cats protection place of your mums choice if she gives me an unseen reading which is in any way, shred or possibility, accurate. and if it is, i will admit same immediately, and send cheque same day, then i will scan and email you the confirmation that they have received it. how s that?
id="quote">I'll ask her tonight. If she agrees we can exchange details on here tomorrow.
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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 14:35
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quote:Originally posted by HeidiHole
I'm unsure why people can't take offense at being called dim, thickies, niave, stupid, etc. I bloody would. If people want to believe let them, it doesn't necessarily make them any of the above things.

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Personally, I think it does make them those things. Not for believing in the afterlife as such, but for paying a complete stranger to cold call/contact a dead relative for them. So yes, I do think that makes them naive/stupid/idiotic.

Although I do agree with you that that doesn't give people the right to name call on here (me included). I apologise if I've offended anyone. ?
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*CJ* · 2 April, 2008 at 14:35
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Personally I take offense to being called a dimwit/thick/desperate. I am none of these yet chose to believe in something being there. As I said early on I have been to readings. Some have been good, some have been rubbish. If people chose to believe and it makes them more at peace or happier then how is it harming those who chose not to believe?
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