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Treacle tart, 1 April, 2008 at 20:35

I went to see a psychic a few years ago and then just before I got wed.
I was quite sceptical and didnt know what to expect.
It was all very weird. The first time was all about my mother - she passed away 11 years ago now from breast cancer. She told me that she no longer has to wear her wig as she has lovely hair now 'up there'.
She also told me several other things that she couldnt possibly have known.
When i went just before the wedding, what she told me was astounding. She told me that Mr Tarts dad Colin (she named him) will be there (she knew I was getting wed and what month) watching us and will be so proud. She said that he would like Mr T to wear 2 roses in his buttonhole, one for him too and that he will try his best to help him with his crevat as he knows he will be useless at it.
She said that as my nan had also passed (we never got on), she would like to say sorry for certain views that she had expressed when she was alive - spot on, but would rather not say what went on. My nan and mum were apparantly 'thrashing out' their diferences up there too over buckets of tea as they both drunk gallons when down here.
She said that my sister in America was fine but a little 'snowed under'. My sister was in Boston at the time on holiday with heavy snow and couldnt get a flight back home.
She also knew that my mum had 10 children and I myself had lost a baby when I was 18. She went as far as to say that my mum had my little boy with her.
She said that my mum was beside me brushing my hair - something she loved to do even up until I was 20.
All of a sudden she asked me if I heard that. When I said what, she said that my mum just called me. I just laughed and forgot about it but when I replayed the tape a few months later - as clear as a bell, my mums voice called my nickname. Now, when I play the tape it's gone. I was doing the washing up at the time and just froze with shock.
I can't remember other things but I couldnt believe how accurate this woman was.
I have an appointment with her at the end of April and am actually looking forward to it.
I'm no fool and do not live my life by what this woman has said in the past and she certainly didnt pick on the fact that I was grieving and heard what I wanted to as mum had died years before and I was by no means upset iyswim. I wasnt a member of any facebook or sharing group at the time so ruled out that she had googled me!
I just wondered whether anyone believes in the afterlife and spirit world.
Do you have any stories to tell?

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Headless Lois · 2 April, 2008 at 15:59
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So, if someone you grew up with - say your mum, has the gift and makes predictions, whatever.
is this person
1. lying to you throughout your life - effectively conning you?
2. cold reading without their own knowledge?
3. making stuff up without being aware of it?

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Boxof BaldKittens · 2 April, 2008 at 15:59
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quote:Originally posted by barongreenback
Do you think anyone could communicate with the spirit of the minge licking dog?
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Perhaps Zippy the Cat could but I have not seen the Zipster on here ofr ages.
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Zippy The Cat · 2 April, 2008 at 16:04
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The Zipster is currently enjoying his well earned retirement in Catcun(t)
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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 16:05
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, if someone you grew up with - say your mum, has the gift and makes predictions, whatever.
is this person
1. lying to you throughout your life - effectively conning you?
2. cold reading without their own knowledge?
3. making stuff up without being aware of it?

L
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I don't think it'd be 1, a possible combination of 2 and 3 maybe?
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Headless Lois · 2 April, 2008 at 16:06
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quote:Originally posted by Minx Sauce
quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, if someone you grew up with - say your mum, has the gift and makes predictions, whatever.
is this person
1. lying to you throughout your life - effectively conning you?
2. cold reading without their own knowledge?
3. making stuff up without being aware of it?

L
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I don't think it'd be 1, a possible combination of 2 and 3 maybe?
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It sort of indicates to me that if someone truly believes they can do this there is a feeling they are mentally ill?

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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 16:06
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, if someone you grew up with - say your mum, has the gift and makes predictions, whatever.
is this person
1. lying to you throughout your life - effectively conning you?
2. cold reading without their own knowledge?
3. making stuff up without being aware of it?

L
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i think 3. and doing it with the best of intentions, and genuinley thinking that they have some kind of "gift".
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Pint&APie · 2 April, 2008 at 16:09
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
It sort of indicates to me that if someone truly believes they can do this there is a feeling they are mentally ill?
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I'd say they probably are.
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WIseMonkey · 2 April, 2008 at 16:11
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quote:Originally posted by Pint&APie
quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
It sort of indicates to me that if someone truly believes they can do this there is a feeling they are mentally ill?
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I'd say they probably are.
id="quote">Thank goodness what you think or don't think doesn't matter.
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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 16:11
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quote:Originally posted by Mrs Jess
quote:Originally posted by NickJ
quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, if someone you grew up with - say your mum, has the gift and makes predictions, whatever.
is this person
1. lying to you throughout your life - effectively conning you?
2. cold reading without their own knowledge?
3. making stuff up without being aware of it?

L
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i think 3. and doing it with the best of intentions, and genuinley thinking that they have some kind of "gift".
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Maybe not cold reading without their own knowledge, but maybe being unusually sensitive to body language and all sorts of other things without knowing it, so getting 'feelings' about things? I don't know. I do think some people are more in tune with... something.
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yes, and not with malice either. though of course some are malicious, ie all those who do it for personal gain without being explicit that its bollocks.
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FussAss · 2 April, 2008 at 16:13
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My daughter does call my mother "nutty nanny"

So there maybe some truth in that last remark!!

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Pint&APie · 2 April, 2008 at 16:17
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quote:Originally posted by WIseMonkey
Thank goodness what you think or don't think doesn't matter.
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Maybe not to you.

I won't lose any sleep.
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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 16:22
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
quote:Originally posted by Minx Sauce
quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, if someone you grew up with - say your mum, has the gift and makes predictions, whatever.
is this person
1. lying to you throughout your life - effectively conning you?
2. cold reading without their own knowledge?
3. making stuff up without being aware of it?

L
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I don't think it'd be 1, a possible combination of 2 and 3 maybe?
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It sort of indicates to me that if someone truly believes they can do this there is a feeling they are mentally ill?

L
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Sorry, only just seen this.

I'm not sure if I'd go as far as saying they were 'mentally ill', but I certainly think they believe they have a gift, and are truely speaking with the dead.

And I agree with NickJ, that the ones who genuinely believe they have a gift, don't mean any malice. It's the con artists out there who are making money off other's heartache that really get my goat. ☹️!]
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Headless Lois · 2 April, 2008 at 16:47
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So, they could just be super intuituve - sort of able to do what someone like Derren Brown does passively - thus not mentally ill at all?

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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 16:52
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, they could just be super intuituve - sort of able to do what someone like Derren Brown does passively - thus not mentally ill at all?

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Definitely.

I don't think anyone has suggested anyone was mentally ill?
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Headless Lois · 2 April, 2008 at 16:55
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, they could just be super intuituve - sort of able to do what someone like Derren Brown does passively - thus not mentally ill at all?

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Definitely.

I don't think anyone has suggested anyone was mentally ill?
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Well, I sort of did, in that I asked the question if they were/were perceived as such

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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 16:57
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
So, they could just be super intuituve - sort of able to do what someone like Derren Brown does passively - thus not mentally ill at all?

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Definitely.

I don't think anyone has suggested anyone was mentally ill?
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Well, I sort of did, in that I asked the question if they were/were perceived as such

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? I realise that. But I thought you were just asking us a question though, as in did any of us think they were mentally ill? I didn't think you were suggesting you thought they were?

Oh blimey, I've got myself all confused now.... ?
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Headless Lois · 2 April, 2008 at 17:01
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No, MS, you are right, it was just a question

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Minx Sauce · 2 April, 2008 at 17:09
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quote:Originally posted by Headless Lois
No, MS, you are right, it was just a question

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Thought as much. ?

In answer, no I don't think they are mentally ill. Maybe slightly delusional (if that's the right word?) in some cases, but not all.

I think the majority have the best intentions (i.e. trying to comfort someone who's recently bereaved/stuck in a stage of grief they can't get out of), but maybe go about it in the wrong way (charging, pretending it's real etc).

Then there are obviously the con-artists, who know exactly what they are doing ☹️!]. And are praying on people's vunerability/need for there to be something 'more'.

Yes, I think all people who claim to be 'mediums' are lying. But I don't think they all realise they are, and I don't think they are all doing it maliciously.

HTH xx
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Hickory · 2 April, 2008 at 17:09
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One thing that stuck out so much from my reading was her knowing about ex being seriously impaled as a child and for the people that replied needle, scissors etc at the time, no thats not what she meant

When ex was 5 he was riding his bike, fell off and was impaled on the park railings, nasty scars on both front and back of his body.

How is it possible she knew this? She knew nothing about me before I turned up, didn't take my name when booking, just told me her address. Yes other parts of the reading could have been pure coincidence but that, that just really jumped out.
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This is how it works though. The things that are not relevant to you just fade into insignificance and you write them off as 'possible coincidence' or 'Hmm, maybe she meant uncle not cousin' etc.

And the times they DO hit on something the person who is being read thinks 'Oh my god, that's amazing!' What if she's said your ex was injured as a child while out playing? You'd think 'well, yes' but it's not as exciting. If she's said 'yes, attacked by a dog perhaps' You'd then be thinking 'No, i don't think so'. It's all very vague.

But i she mentioned the dog thing to me i'd leap up and think 'Wow, my OH WAS attacked by a dog, she knows me!'

It's all just a matter of likelihoods and statistics. Why did she only tell you other things that were 'coincidences'? Why would she not be more specific? Because she can't be.
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Lillythepink · 2 April, 2008 at 17:57
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OK, I'm curious

The being impaled thing. Did she say "Your other half was impaled on a park railing when he was 5" or did she say "someone close to you was impaled as a child" coz technically, I can apply the last one to myself. As can a lot of others, most likely. Doens't everyone know someone who got an injury like this as a kid?

The last thing that bugs me about mediums is this: the information is fucking useless.

Ah, I can see your nan.
(Yes)
She wore glasses
(a lot of older people do, from middle age, because your eyes change)
She's smiling
(ok - that's nice)
She died of something round here (indicates stomach)
(yes I know, in fact I know exactly what rather than just her middle, it was on the death certificate)

And what have I learnt? Feck all. If you're going to claim supernatural knowledge can it not be lottery tickets or soemthing? Something useful?

Your nan says there's a priceless painting rolled up under the floor boards.
(ooh, smashing)
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Maxi · 2 April, 2008 at 19:07
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I've dipped in and out of this at work today, but never had a chance to post before.

Just wanted to say that if anyone is interested in spiritualism and what happens when mediums communicate, your local spiritualist church or meeting is open to all.

The meeting that I attend periodically asks for a donation of £2.50 for the service only or £3.50 for the full meeting. The charge goes towards hall fees, tea/coffee and travelling expenses for the visiting medium (each group has they're own mediums, but they usually have visitors from other areas).

The service is in an open forum, so you may not get anything specific to yourself, although ours also offers spiritual healing, which is done on a one-to-one basis.

Personally, I don't agree with those that use their gift for financial gain and I remain sceptical of anyone that does.
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PhoebeBuffay · 2 April, 2008 at 19:11
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quote:Originally posted by Lillythepink
OK, I'm curious

The being impaled thing. Did she say "Your other half was impaled on a park railing when he was 5" or did she say "someone close to you was impaled as a child" coz technically, I can apply the last one to myself. As can a lot of others, most likely. Doens't everyone know someone who got an injury like this as a kid?

The last thing that bugs me about mediums is this: the information is fucking useless.

Ah, I can see your nan.
(Yes)
She wore glasses
(a lot of older people do, from middle age, because your eyes change)
She's smiling
(ok - that's nice)
She died of something round here (indicates stomach)
(yes I know, in fact I know exactly what rather than just her middle, it was on the death certificate)

And what have I learnt? Feck all. If you're going to claim supernatural knowledge can it not be lottery tickets or soemthing? Something useful?

Your nan says there's a priceless painting rolled up under the floor boards.
(ooh, smashing)

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She said she saw a man close to me was impaled as a child and that he was about 5/6.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't know of many people who have been impaled on railings, and a quick chat with 3 friends this afternoon confirmed they didn't know anyone who had been impaled on railings either.
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cariad · 2 April, 2008 at 19:15
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I was impaled on a nail when i was a kid i cant think of anyone i know who hasnt had something stuck in them a t some point

i cant see why this has gone on so long tbh if people want to believe and it makes them feel better so be it

i went to one after my dad died and if it was crap it was but it made me feel better at the time
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Lillythepink · 2 April, 2008 at 19:15
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But she didn't say impaled on railings, did she? She said impaled. YOU applied it to your partner - she didn't even identify the relationship, you did.

My cousin was trying to climb over a iron fence & impaled his foot at about the same age.
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LottieLou · 2 April, 2008 at 19:23
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I don't beleive. I'd like to but I'm probably one of the biggest cynics here. It's entertaining maybe, but also potentially very harmful.

FWIW I could probably meet NickJ and be his 'psychic' as although I'm not on here as much as others he's a prolific poster and I'm sure I could recall lots of things about him. Same about a lot of people on here really. I bet if most people on here were asked to name 5 facts about another Hitcher they could do it. I'm betting she mentions that he parks in mum and baby spaces.
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i was impaled on a nail when i was a kid i cant think of anyone i know who hasnt had something stuck in them a t some point id="red">

i cant see why this has gone on so long tbh if people want to believe and it makes them feel better so be it

i went to one after my dad died and if it was crap it was but it made me feel better at the time
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typical [rolls eyes]
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NickJ · 2 April, 2008 at 19:25
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But she didn't say impaled on railings, did she? She said impaled. YOU applied it to your partner - she didn't even identify the relationship, you did.

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exactly. and those are the key things which make mediums "work" what she said could have applied to millions. i know kids who were "impaled" on bits of metal, nails, huge thorns, bits of slate, tree branches, you name it. the person picks up on "someone close to you was impaled as a child" and to go at, you have all your classmates for what? 3-4-5 years? say 20 in each class? what? 40? 60 peeople plus? plus siblings, their friends, family, you name it. it could be 200 people you have to make a choice from.

she did not say "your boyfriend was imapled on railings when he was 5 years old" did she?

ask yourself a very simple question PB. why did she not say the above statement?
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alleroo · 2 April, 2008 at 19:45
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I was impaled on a pencil when I was about 5
my sister rammed it into my cheek
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alleroo · 2 April, 2008 at 19:50
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Next time we meet I'll show you the 'tattoo' it's left me with

I don't know you well enough to show you the scar from the scissors she pronged me with though
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SophieM · 2 April, 2008 at 19:52
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ask yourself a very simple question PB. why did she not say the above statement?
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Because the spirits are not always clear. Like, duuuur, obviously.
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alleroo · 2 April, 2008 at 19:54
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next time we meet I'll show you the 'tattoo' it's left me with

I don't know you well enough to show you the scar from the scissors she pronged me with though
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you dont know me well enough?
i stole for you
put up with your husband
kept quiet when you set fire to things.

im truly offended
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are you on drugs? ?
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PhoebeBuffay · 2 April, 2008 at 19:55
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Yes, if you read back I had stated she said impaled on railings, ok so she didn't say it was my bf.
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