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Mrs*W*2B
Beginner August 2014

Legal advice? engagement ring!!

Mrs*W*2B, 20 March, 2012 at 15:28

Posted on Planning 48

Hi Ladies (and Gents!) I'm not sure if anybody can help but I will try and explain as best as I can and if anybody has any advice or experience of this then please let me know because me and OH aren't sure what to do or where we stand, bit of a long post but you will need the background info.... My...

Hi Ladies (and Gents!)

I'm not sure if anybody can help but I will try and explain as best as I can and if anybody has any advice or experience of this then please let me know because me and OH aren't sure what to do or where we stand, bit of a long post but you will need the background info....

My OH's sister was with this guy for about 4 years, they lived together, were planning a future together etc and then all of a sudden they split up and straight away he is with this other woman and within months she is pregnant (although he still claims they weren't together when OH's sister was with him) anyway I am just giving you an idea of what this guy is like...I have never been his biggest fan, even when he was with SIL2B I always said to H2B I wasn't keen and when they split it kind of confirmed what a d**k head he was!! and although all the family realised the true him, SIL2B still speaks to him as a friend....still with me? ....

this guy is a jeweller, he used to own his own shop, then tried doing 'bespoke' designed and made jewellery and now he does similar but working for a shop, so he does all the custom made stuff.... I always said to my OH that I would HATE for him to get my ring from him if he were to ever ask me to marry him and he knew i was dead against it etc....anyway time went on and OH wanted to ask me to marry him (obviously i didn't know at this point!!) he had a budget of £900-£1000 but obviously wanted to get the best he could....OH's sister suggested going to her ex to see if he could do them a deal and even though I had asked him never to buy from him, OH went along and the ex said that he could design a bespoke ring, exactly what i wanted worth £2,500 and OH would only have to pay him £900....this was all designed and agreed but as it was a 'favour' the value (£2,500) was not written down etc....

OH decided that if he went into a normal shop with £900 there was noway he could get me as nice of a ring and so decided to bite his tounge and agree to pay £900 for this £2,500 custom made ring....the ring arrived and was paid for through the shop on card and then OH asked me to marry him we got all teary and excited and then he decided to tell me that 'don't get mad at me but....' and told me that he had got SIL2B ex to design it but 'don't worry he got a really good deal' at this point i was very happy that i was engaged to the man i love but secretly VERY annoyed that he had gone to someone that I specifically said not to...I brushed over it and presumed that OH must have just wanted the best for me (fair enough) although i wanted to know the price etc and from this point on the fact that OH was claiming it was worth £2,500 and he only paid £900 was really playing on my mind, i'm not stupid, I have seen rings that cost that much and the diamond etc is much bigger and blingy etc (I love my ring to bits and the money doesn't matter, don't get me wrong, but I didn't think it was worth £2500!!) ....

So then we get a valuation through off the jewellers so i can insure my ring... on the valuation there is a full description of my ring and the value....£1250!!!!!!!
obviously I immediatly said to H2B that he had lied about the price but H2B claimed it must have been a mistake and quickly text him to ask what was going on, why was the valuation only that? the ex spun H2B a load of bulls**t about how it must have been a mistake by his assistant and he will send a new one out with the true value (£2,500) asap! few weeks later nothing...another text...more rubbish....weeks later nothing!! .... by this point I was convinced the true value was £1250 and OH had been lied to...one of my friends works at their families jewellers and we were passing and decided to pop in...she asked if they could value my ring, i deliberatly didn't tell them my valuation etc and they examined for ages and came back and said it was worth between £950-£1000, i told them that i had the £1250 through to which they said that is feasible but in NOWAY is it worth £2,500 (shock horror!!)

they also told me that the ring should be hallmarked, my ring is palladium and under the hallmark act, palladium is now included and any brand new ring sold through a shop must be hallmarked so according to this other jewellers he sold it illegally without a hallmark!! I have since looked up this act and from what i can gather it is an offence to call my ring and to sell me a ring described as palladium without the hallmark (my valuation says palladium) however it does not give any clue to what the consequence is if anyone commits these 'offences'

so i want to know:

. Is there anything we can do about the fact that H2B was sold a ring aparently worth £2,500 for £900 only to be told it's worth £950-£1000?
(i know H2B is still saving £50/£100 but he only went to this guy because he thought he was getting an amazing deal otherwise he wouldn't have gone near him!!)

. Does anybody know what we can do about him selling us an unhallmarked ring? what are the consequences of an 'offence' like this?

. Is the matter worth taking up or not? Ideally OH would like to see something happen even if it's a warning about not hallmarking!! I don't particularly want him to take it back to hallmark as i don't trust him at all anymore and don't want to be without my ring knowing it's in his possession!!

. Is this a court matter or more of a trading standards issue?

I totally realise that in a way its my OH's stupid fault for being so gulliable but whats done is done and I love my ring!! I just want justice! OH feels so silly as he was telling people about his 'fab deal' and now he has pretty much found out he paid what he would have paid in goldsmiths or h.samuels etc and he is fuming!

If you have read this far i'm impressed!! thanks for listening to my rant and any info or advice would be great!!

Thanks Smiley smile x

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  • Mrs*W*2B
    Beginner August 2014
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    Thank You Gemicle, I think this is exactly what i needed to hear!
    the other jewellers said that even retail price wouldn't surpass £1250 so i know he has just made up the £2,500 but i am willing to let that go as i don't think theres anything we can do about that but the hallmarking i am going to try and sort!

    Thanks again!

    x

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  • saspip
    Beginner May 2012
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    I'm a bit annoyed by this I have to say. If you read my earlier advice you will see that I took time out of my evening to research the statute to find out exactly what sort of penalty could be imposed on someone for committing an offence like this which was information you asked for in your original post. I also gave you some advice, based on my experience in the law, about what avenues to pursue and whether I thought it was worth it or not. When you post on a forum like hitched you will sometimes get opinions that you don't want. However, it's a bit annoying to take the time to reply to someone only to find that it appears they haven't bothered to read your post and are complaining about it. You have chosen to become involved in another conversation about why you are actually upset about this but if you read all the replies you will see that you got a lot of replies giving you advice and asking for further info from you.

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  • A
    Beginner June 2012
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    As others have said, I'd be more annoyed with my OH than this guy, who you absolutely knew to be unpleasant and untrustworthy anyway. If I had made it totally clear how much I disliked someone and in no way wanted them to be involved in my engagement, I would expect my OH to listen to me rather than being a bit naive and - sorry, but greedy - in buying a ring from them despite my wishes. You know the saying...if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. A £2,500 ring for £900?? I'd want that in writing before I went anywhere with it.

    I do find it bizarre that you are discussing how much it cost on the day you got engaged and have since gone to two jewellers to have it valued. If you love it and he's not ripped you off then leave it alone. Get the hallmark sorted (you said he works for this shop so ask the manager to deal with it instead of him) and put it behind you.

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  • Blonde Viki
    Beginner July 2012
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    I am with you on this one saspip - sadly it happens quite a lot on here. Not aimed at the OP specifically but I have found that people are more likely to respond to those arguing with them than with those who offer sensible, constructive advice. I think that's why this thread has received the response it had, because the focus doesn't really appear to be on the answer.

    There's a few people on here from legal and other specialist backgrounds who have regularly taken the time to assist other users only for their response to be dismissed or ignored. I just don't understand If you are going to take in issue up elsewhere anyway and just came on here to be dramatic, with no real interest in the range of opinion you are bound to get on a forum like this, why bother?!

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  • Houdini
    Beginner August 2010
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    Completely OT but did you know this is actually the sex icon BV?! Hover over it when you choose it and it's description is sex!

    ?

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  • Kadence
    Beginner September 2012
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    HAHAHA!! Love it!

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  • Red Baroness
    Beginner July 2012
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    ? I just re read BV's post twice as I thought I'd clearly missed something somewhere!

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  • kharv
    Beginner March 2012
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    Haha! Me too! I tried adding in the word f'ing and everything!

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  • Red Baroness
    Beginner July 2012
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    ? ? So did I!

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  • pandorasbox
    Beginner August 2012
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    Maybe it refers to the sh@fting MrsW2b feels her OH got from the ex ?

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  • Mrs*W*2B
    Beginner August 2014
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    Sorry that wasn't aimed at you i realise some hitchers have spent time looking up info and im grateful for that...if you read on i said

    I thought i could just ask for some innocent advice about what the law is etc and where we stand .... and to be honest was expecting some advice and some people to say maybe it's best if you just leave it etc which some have so thank you!...

    which i was referring to saying thank you to the people who had just given me good advice, sorry for missunderstanding! x

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  • Mrs*W*2B
    Beginner August 2014
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    I'm sorry if some people have taken my post in the wrong way, thank you to all the advice given especially those who have taken time to research things for me!

    Don't want to annoy anyone but I seem to have done that with a few so sorry!

    i'm moving on.... Smiley smile x

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  • Blonde Viki
    Beginner July 2012
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    Errr I guess this is what I get for sneakily hitching-in-a-hurry from my work computer... I just saw the one with question marks aboves its head and didn't realise the other one was involved - they don't move on my work computer as it's so old! Smiley winking

    Oops! ?

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