Jade's wedding

Lobster, I think in her situation she can be as attention seeking as she likes.

She has been very honest about why she is doing everything in the public eye and I have nothing but respect or admiration for her.

I feel quite shocked at your venom towards her.

She has been pretty clear that she will make every pound she can before she dies. FWIW I don't think her sons will ever be wanting for anything but clearly she's decided that she needs to amass as large a fortune as possible and I can respect that.

<also preparing to be flamed> I wouldn't be devastated if she gave even 1% of what she is earning to a cervical cancer charity but if course it's her prerogative not to

Do you know for sure she isn't donating money to them? just because she hasn't shared details doesn't mean she isn't donating to them.

I really hope this thread doesn't turn into a Jade bashing.

It's not venom, more boredom with celebrity-itus. Admittedly i've not followed the story closely but I just can't see any reason to spend your last days actively getting yoruself plastered all over the TV and papers. I recall she said the money was for her kids but i can't beleieve she'd leave them badly off if she didn't do this and I also can't beleive the media circus around her is condusive to building those special memories for her kids she says she wants.

I feel sad that she feels the need to do this and think it's a little sick that the world wants to watch it all happen

I know that if I was a guest, I would be bawling my eyes out. But at the same tme I wish they could have kept it together a bit for her, it must be hard to look around and see everyone crying ?

I respect her hugely. She became famous by going on a TV show and never shyed away from the fact that she came from nothing and was going to make the best of it. While some celebs use the media when they want to and then complain whenthey feel it is intrusive, she has always welcomed them and even in her last few months she is smiling for the cameras and saying 'thank you' to them, after all withouot the paparazzi she would have went back to nothing. And I love the fact that until the very end she has made every effort to provide for her boys, even though she won't be around she has made sure they will have no financial worries for the rest of their days.

Oooh, is there going to be a dove release!!! Controversial!

Yeah, good on you for flagging up some negs in all of this - i have deleted a few snide remarks becuase i thought i'd get a kicking - but I am one of those 'popcorn at public hanging' sorts, i guess - ghastly as i find it - but you know, i think this girl - who i loathed, and said dreadful things about when she first hit our screens - has managed to create something quite uniting in her suffering. I agree that the cash raising excersise is a bit inappropriate - perhaps better if she'd said she'd make a massive donation to a cancer charity or something (but hey, maybe she will?!) I have been massively impressed with her openess and bravery and how articulate and natural she is with people - she's a far cannier lass than the stupid twerp she used to be - and since Cinderella - who doesn't love a rags to riches tale??? Especially with a tragic twist. Yes, maybe we'd be ripping the liberal piss if she wasn't dying - but in fairness this is one of the more tasteful celebrity weddings of recent times and not a lot to rip the piss about!

Anyway, this isn't her death we're watching; it's her wedding. I think when it comes to that, there won't be any cameras. She'll be morphined up to the hilt and will slip away over the course of a week or so - they're not going to show it. I hope.

What i wasn't buying (apart from OK magazine) was Jack's role in all of this - is he for real? Maybe - his vows were about as removed and wooden as could be - reminded me of peter andre's arse up - with less sweat perhaps. But yeah, maybe he does love her and not just her money - although the holiday snaps galore made him look like a freeloading twunt - but hey - more rags to riches perhaps - whatever. Good luck to them and gawd bless her - she's really changed my opinion of her and has made me look at life with another perspective - so that's what i am buying into.

Dunno if any of that made any sense or was worth saying (let alone reading!) - but anyway. I felt i needed to justify why i have got swept away with all the media circus - it's touched a part of a lot of people who didn't expect to be affected i think. I used to wish terrible things on her - perhaps my pity and respect is my way of making amends or something.

But, i will also draw a line at any bleedin' doves!

Lobster, i cant speak for other hitchers but i have always had a soft spot for jade and whilst i dont follow her every move, I have tuned in to see her get married because I would like to see her have some happiness before she dies.

I think her husband is a twat and a lot of the wedding is twee however it doesnt detract from the fact that she does look beautiful and she is having her day before she dies.

I am a bit fed up with the jade cancer circus on sky news etc and i feel sorry for other cancer fighters that dont have access to ok magazine and free weddings etc but in Jades shoes, who wouldnt take the chance to have the wedding you want and raise money to leave for your children?

we cant speculate on what she does with her money, she might have donated a million to cancer charities or provided for them in her will. We will never know and why should we.

I'm very touched watching how happy this is making her. who could begrudge her that?

No, but I've seen Max Clifford do his thang for long enough to reckon that if she was, he'd have told the world pretty promptly.

I think he's an idiot and how much money he's made out of this whole thing, I dread to think.

He has been publically slating doctors for "missing a tumour the size of a football" whilst conveniently skating over the fact she got letters saying her smears were very abnormal & needed treatment and ignored them.

Of course it's absolutely devastating for her, and Jade has nothing but my sympathy. But the way MC has handled it all makes me feel slightly sick.

I'm bowing out now.

Meant to say. my husband remarked that Jack doesnt have to live with Jade for the next 20 years so has probably proposed under pressure as she was dying.

As long as she believes it is real then fair enough. I think he acts like a *** frankly and has to be prompted to kiss her, hold her hand etc but she is obviously very happy.

Her boys will have great memories of the wedding and were included the whole way through

Do you know what, I wouldn't give two hoots about Jade in the normal scheme of things. She started out as a celebrity wannabe and until the beginning of the year that was how I saw her. Still is to a certain degree but watching her go through all of this has reduced me to tears on more than one occasion. I can't imagine being in her shoes and having to make a decision as to how much of my life I would want on display especially now that she knows that the time left is particularly short. I know that part of me just thinks - what if that was me? and that makes me upset as I'm a mum who's only a few years older than she is and it just scares me rigid that I might have to go through that.

Add to that if what she is going through makes just one woman go for that smear test that they've been putting off - hurrah. I know that in my office it has made someone make that decision to go for it as although she's only just hit 25 and so only just able to have one, she'd been delaying on asking for it - despite the letter inviting her. I can't imagine that my colleague is the only one that has been affected in this way.

What about if she was a writer? Would it be ok for her to write about her experiences and earn her last bit of money that way? Or even, hell, spend her last moments in the limelight if that's what she wants? There's no need to die in public, there's no need to do anythign in public but people still want to be in magazines, get published, get a record deal, make a film. This is her job, it's how she makes her money and it's her last chance to do so. If she gets her fairytale wedding, and gets some money in an attempt to replace her presence in her children's lives for what should have been the next 50 years, then so be it. It's not my dream but why shouldn't it be hers?

For some reason I am incrediably sensitive about the whole Jade situation and therefore don't think I can debate the subject rationally rather than emotionally, so I will step away for now as I am not the most eloquent Hitcher at the best of times.

One thing I will say is that L P O I think you have a point about Max Clifford, he must be making most of the decisions now, as I am thinking Jade must be on so many painkillers that she isn't in position to voice her wishes.

I hope that she can spend her final days with her family and everyone can respect their time together my heart goes out to them all and to everyone else who has had their lives touched by this awful disease.

WLFS. John Diamond? Ruth Picardie?

I must be a cold-hearted cynic then, because I have wondered whether some of this money she's earning is going to cancer charities too.

I bought the OK mag with her wedding in and the interview left a bad taste in my mouth, tbh. While I'm sure it was edited, she came over very badly. She was asked how the day was going to be and went on a tirade about how this wasn't the wedding they had wanted, because they wanted a Ratpack theme and a big London hotel, yada yada. Now I'm sure the wedding just before you die is nobody's idea of a perfect day and I can see that it might make you bitter, but a little humbleness in the face of the fact that her wedding was pretty much free - and took a lot of hard work in the organising by a lot of people - would not have gone amiss.

I think the knowledge that you do not have long left with your children must be awful and I have al lot of sympathy for that. But in years to come, will they thank her for plastering their sad little mugs all over magazines, complete with the letters they have written to her in their private grief? I don't know.

Personally, I'm not particularly interested in her wedding etc. I think her H is an arse of the highest order. However, if this wall to wall coverage *is* what she wants in her last days, then why not? As LF said, it's her job.

I do wonder how much money Max Clifford is making...

I can also think of a couple of people who've been inspired to have a smear test because of what Jade's experienced.

The whole thing is just so terribly sad though.

so the fact that she s dying means anything goes? i m the opposite, i REALLY cannot comprehend why people would watch thi and comment on her dress etc. this is pure car crash rubbernecking. she s dying. so what? why does this mean that morbid curiosity is ok? you may argue that its "human interest" well come on, it isnt, its utterly obscene, and i despair of humanity for its ridiculous fascination in so many quarters with what is simply a previoulsy underprivileged, uneducated and thick woman who happens to be dying. I really do despair.

I think she was sincere in her thanks to people and she looked very happy. No doubt she was on massive morphine etc but who wouldn't look for evidence they were loved and will be missed in her circumstances and after her childhood?

thats totally different imo. at least he had dignity, kept something for himself and his family. he was able to write in an articulate and erudite manner about his experience, and it was confined to one outlet. the jade situation is not at all like that.

Nick, my OH is in total agreement with you on this. I remain on the fence. I do agree that they used their well-established talent to talk about what was happening to them, which in many respects was simply a continuation of the theme of their columns.

But.. and here's where we probably differ... if you replace ' their well established talent' with 'what they were in the public eye for', then there are (admittedly very) broad parallels to be drawn with Jade.

I'm not sure actually what I feel about the whole Jade thing. It goes without saying that it's tragic, as it would be for anyone. Part of me feels that she's been exploited. Part of me thinks that I'd be grabbing every penny that I would for my family too.

According to Nigela he kept nothing for his family. She said he became withdrawn from the family and totally absorbed in his own activities for the last few months (which may be very understandable in the circumstances) hence the quick move to Satchi.

Why on earth are people questioning Max Clifford's pay? He's doing his job, very well it seems, therefore he should be paid accordingly. No?

I haven't watched her on TV, but cannot avoid the press. It is indeed terribly sad.

i meant in terms of the coverage. why you would even have any interest in their relationship baffles me. its weird. i find this while thing (jade etc) so utterly distasteful. i dont blame her in the slightest for what she s doing, its the bizarre attention that she s getting from so many rubberneckers including it seems, numerous people from this site. its most peculiar.

That's a good point re Max Clifford. I think there's no doubt Jade's life has been better with him in it than it would have been without.

Interesting point you make, I was going to ask how would peopel feel about a CEO who decided to work right to the end to collect their bonus to leave to their kids.

I guess people feel differently according to how they value what you're doing with the time. I think most people would be inclined to say the COE should be with their family but think differently about the writer because they will leave something for their children to read and that may help others. It would certainly be unlikely that the COE would be encouraged to work by anyone but society does encourage the writer and the celebrity.

What irks me about the wedding is the attraction of tragedy, suddenly what was vulgar is moving, it's the same thing I feel when people go to the funeral of a person they hardly knew .

but different people deal with their own mortality in diferent ways. her concentrating on making money for them may be a way for her to deal with it. i dont think anyone can judge her for what she s doing but i definitely think that there is a strong case for those who are follwing this, and buying OK, watching living etc to examine their motivation for doing so.

I don't think he shouldn't get paid, I just don't like him and I'm furious with the way he has misrepresented the medical facts of what happened to her.

I'm also deeply uneasy that (apparently) he is the one in charge of the little boys' money.

I think he's got pretty massive conflicts of interest in terms of doing the best thing for her when he makes money from every picture, video etc of her released.

but he is the one who is ENABLING her to make the money and he s hould get paid too. in terms of "doing the best tihng for her", she isnt a child, and she is his client. he can advise her, and she doesnt need to take that advice. he gets a ridiculously hard time imo. plus, why are you "uneasy" about it? 1) you dont know if its true, and 2) so what? and 3) do you not realise that the scrutiny he will be under if inndeed this is the case? oh, and 4) do you not think that everything will have been done legally and totally above board?

WNS - Plus I read there is going to be a board of Trustees so MC wont be soley in charge of the money, again whether or not this is true is another thing

How do you know he has not misrepresented the facts?

As you can imagine Nick, I'm a lot more bothered by the NHS bashing than the money.

I don't think anyone who is terminally ill (and on huge doses of morphine) has the capacity to make these kinds of decisions. He's advising her badly in my opinion. And unfortunately it doesn't seem she's got anyone close to her not on her payroll who can be objective.

On the rare occasions I've watched that Katie Price programme, the same thing always strikes me, all the people surrounding them are being paid to do so. It's a very very odd dynamic.

What?

nhs aside, do you not accept that your views on this are based on nothing but supposition and conjecture? you have NO idea how he is advising her, and who else is involved, like her lawyers, accountants etc etc. you also have no clue if his is advising her badly or otherwise. all your points are based purely on speculation, nothing else.